Prabhupāda: Yes. So we are samples of God, small particles. Just like gold, big gold mine and a small particle of gold. Both of them are gold. Composition is the same. So we, the small particle of God, we are trying to create here so many things. The creating energy is there. Because we are a small particle of God, very small, so we have got so much energy, and we are planning so many things, because on account of that creative energy. So you can just imagine how much creating energy has got the Supreme Lord, of whom we are little samples. We are little sample only, part and parcel, very small particle. So we are creating by our mind . . . manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi. By our senses and mind, we are so many things planning. You are also working in the laboratory with that senses and mind. But you are the creating energy. So the struggle is that we are planning to become happy within this material world. That is described here: manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati (BG 15.7). Karṣati is simply struggling. That's all.
Robert Gouiran: Stru . . .?
Devotees: Struggle.
Robert Gouiran: Oh, struggle.
Prabhupāda: Struggle. We cannot do anything, because the bigger creative energy's there, and we are simply trying to combat with Him. Therefore, uselessly we are struggling. That's all. We cannot change. Because the bigger creative energy is different, prakṛti, the material nature. Suppose there . . . just like they are trying to create living being in the laboratory. So suppose you are trying to create living being by scientific, chemical combination, so what is the credit to you? Millions of living being are created by the material energy. Where is your credit, if you cannot even create a small ant up till now? So simply you are wasting your time. That's all. Therefore it is called prakṛti-sthāni karṣati. Eh? Just like the children are playing. What is the value of this playing? They are making some howling noise, that's all. What they can do? But they are thinking they are creating so many things. "We are . . . (indistinct) . . ." (laughter) So you all scientists, you are doing that thing. That's all. You cannot do anything. That is not in your power. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). It is very, very difficult, physical energy, which is being conducted . . . just like you have created this nuclear bomb, and if you take it and throw on the sun planet, what is the effect? Nuclear bomb, you can destroy something here, but when the . . . your nuclear bomb will be destroyed if you throw it on the sun.