Prabhupāda: We can do that. We can do that, that . . .
- daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī
- mama māyā duratyayā
- mām eva ye prapadyante
- māyām etāṁ taranti te
- (BG 7.14)
You cannot combat with the nature's law, but Kṛṣṇa says that if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, you can do that. You can stop nature's law acting upon you. And that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Carol Jarvis: Why . . . why would you want to stop nature's law acting in its natural way?
Prabhupāda: Because I don't want to be old man, but I am being forced. Therefore I want to stop this force of the nature. That is my natural inclination.
Carol Jarvis: But isn't it also your natural . . . isn't it natural to . . . (indistinct) . . . with nature than to try and fight it?
Prabhupāda: It is struggle. Struggle means . . . struggle for existence means there is something against my will, and I want to stop it. This is called struggle for existence. And that is . . . the whole world is going on, that . . . they have started that United Nation. Why United Nation? You remain . . . but they are trying to stop war. "Let us struggle unitedly." So that is going on. You don't want war, but the war is inevitable. Even the United Nation is there, still war is going on. That is struggle. So . . . but they are not coming to the point of understanding that, "We are trying so much, so hard, to become happy, but the nature is not allowing me." This is real intelligence. And that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. If we remain dull—"Let the nature's law act upon me as it likes"—and we go on struggling to stop it, it will never stop, because nature's law is so powerful. You cannot stop it.
Carol Jarvis: But why do you want to fight nature's law?
Prabhupāda: Then you want happiness. Again I am repeatedly saying that you don't want to stop your old age. You want to remain young.
Carol Jarvis: No, no, no . . .
Prabhupāda: Everyone . . .