Gargamuni: That Mrs. Lalita Bose, she compared you to Netajī, that you went outside of India and organized an army, (laughter) then came back to India. She said that. She's the granddaughter? That Lalita Bose?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Niece.
Gargamuni: She said: "Your Gurujī is just like Netajī. He went outside of India and organized army of Vaiṣṇavas."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now it is in the right hand. You are resourceful, you Americans. You can do this. There is scientist. So we have got the framework very nice. Now you can push on. It is a good movement for the benefit of the whole world. Kṛṣṇa will help you. Kṛṣṇa will recognize you. Go on pushing rightly. Our only mission is para-upakāra—we don't want to exploit anyone—Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. The people in general, human being, they have got this opportunity of being out of the clutches of māyā, and they are kept in darkness. What is the use? Is that civilization? This is our mission. Here is opportunity for his getting out of the clutches of māyā, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā (BG 7.14), and they are being misled, the so-called science and nasty philosophy and economic and making them, training them as demons and rākṣasas. What is this civilization? So our movement is against this demonic civilization. It is really para-upakāra.
- bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra
- janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra
- (CC Adi 9.41)
And this is India's mission, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission: para-upakāra. So . . . and Kṛṣṇa also confirms, ya idaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ mad-bhakteṣv abhidhāsyati, na ca tasmād . . . (BG 18.68). You'll be recognized by Kṛṣṇa. Simply go on sincerely working for this movement. Nobody can defeat you. Take all strategic point, fighting with māyā, and become victorious. From any point of view, come on. We shall fight with māyā. It is a great declaration of fight with māyā. Not with māyā; we are . . . our fight is with the demons. Māyā is servant, maidservant of Kṛṣṇa. She can withdraw by the order. But she cannot withdraw, because people are demons. So this European opposition, American opposition is that the demons are now feeling the pressure. That is recognition that, "Now it is a fight. We have to defend."
Nanda-kumāra: The outcome of the battle is already decided. Just like in Bhagavad-gītā, we've already won. We just have to keep . . . keep fighting.
Prabhupāda: They are now feeling the pressure of the opposite party. So . . . fight is fight. When there is fight, my Guru Mahārāja used to say: "Some of our soldiers will die. It doesn't matter." You don't expect that not a single soldier of your party will not die. No, some of them will die. Still, fight must go on. Fight cannot be stopped. So fight like brave soldiers, Kṛṣṇa will help you. Don't make any compromise. No truce with these demons. Fight must be. Our fighting weapon is Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. That's all. Sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam (BG 9.14). Astra. That astra is yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana, this saṅkīrtana, this astra weapon. They're now afraid of this astra more than atomic weapon. Is it not?
Gargamuni: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) So . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Everybody knows. At least, everybody knows about Hare Kṛṣṇa, about this saṅkīrtana.
Prabhupāda: No, it is more dangerous than the atomic weapon. They have accepted it.
Gargamuni: Yes. In many countries we are known to be very dangerous.
Gargamuni: In many countries we are known to be very dangerous, this Hare Kṛṣṇa. They are afraid.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They even write, the psychiatrists, that "These people are very dangerous." (Prabhupāda chuckles)
Bhāgavata: We are threatening their sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So go on with fighting. We are not the Vṛndāvana bābājīs, "No, we are so perfect we do not go out of Vṛndāvana, and chant . . . chant or not chant, we have got three dozen widows." This is going on. Sahajiyā. Still they are better, because they have accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord, than these demons. Our Guru Mahārāja said that although we condemn these sahajiyās, but they are better than the Māyāvādīs because they accept Kṛṣṇa as Supreme Lord. Their character is not good. But still, because they accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord somehow or other, they are better than these Māyāvādīs.