Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) What others' argument? This is my challenge.
Yaśomatīnandana: Mr. Dhrug was pointing out . . .
Prabhupāda: Where is that materialistic leader? Here is. What is your argument? Huh? (laughter)
Yaśomatīnandana: He says that you cannot bring life, but you can bring death immediately. Why is that?
Prabhupāda: Huh? Death? He's already dead. What you can bring? Rascal, don't you see that he is already dead? If you have to bring something, you have to bring life. Death is already there.
(dog barking, woman yelling) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
(break) Bhāgavata has analyzed, yasyātmā-buddhi kunape tri-dhātuke (SB 10.84.13). And this is the beginning of mistake, taking this body as everything and then bodily issues, bodily . . . sva-dhiḥ kalātrādiṣu. And because I have got relation with some woman . . . there are thousands and millions of women, but because I have got bodily relation with some woman, I am so much attracted. That is due to the body. Actually I am not attracted to the woman. There are many millions of women, but that particular woman, wife, because I have got bodily relation with her, I think, "Oh, she is mine. She is mine." Sva-dhiḥ kalātrādiṣu. Kalātrādiṣu, beginning from kalātra, then go on—children, grandchildren, father-in-law, mother-in-law, this one, this one. The beginning is the kalātra. If there is no kalātra, there is no father-in-law, mother-in-law. So sva-diḥ kalātrādiṣu.
Then bhauma idya-dhiḥ—"This is my country. I am national," "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am this." Why? The body has grown from this land. You see, every . . . the whole world activities is going on on this basis. Sva-dhiḥ kalātrādiṣu bhauma idya-dhiḥ. Idya. Idya means worshipable. The brain is full with this idea, dhīḥ. Dhīḥ means buddhi. The brain is congested with all these ideas. Then he wants to become a religious man. What is that? Now, bhauma idya-dhīḥ Yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile. He goes to some holy place and takes bath. They go to Haridwar. The same Ganges in Calcutta, and the same Ganges in Haridwar, but he will go to Haridwar to take bath so that he may think that "I have come to some holy place." The holy place is Ganges, but Calcutta is not holy place and Haridwar is holy place. Yes. Bhauma idya-dhiḥ. Yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile. Actually Haridwar or Vṛndāvana, such places are meant to see great saintly persons, to take some knowledge from them. To take some knowledge from them, that is the purpose of going to the holy place. But without consulting them, without seeing them, he simply dips into the water and he takes, "My pilgrimage is finished." Yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicit janeṣv abhijñeṣv. There are many saintly persons, very experienced. They will not go there. Sa eva go-kharaḥ. These are asses. This conception of life is go-kharaḥ, animal. Go means the cows and asses. This is the explanation of this verse.