Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Vanauṣadhī loke jayate paramam.
Dr. Patel: So many, so many plants are extremely poisonous. And the real poisonous plants are the plants which give the best medicine. As for example, digoxen, digitalis, life-saving in heart disease. If you eat a leaf, you will die.
Prabhupāda: Then, just like in your dispensary, you keep everything medicine. But it is to be given to different person, different medicine. Not that because it is medicine you give to everyone.
Dr. Patel: No, what I mean to say is that this pān or what you call it, gañjā, they might have been used by some rare persons for a good aim. But it has been misused by a majority of men.
Prabhupāda: So they are innocent people. They have imitated. Our these so-called sādhu says that Lord Śiva used to smoke gañjā. That is their . . . so they have become Lord Śiva. Lord Śiva drunk the whole poison ocean, and he kept it here. So you drink one drop of poison. But these rascals, they compare with Śiva, with Kṛṣṇa. "Kṛṣṇa danced with girls. Therefore we must have." These Māyāvādīs do that. I know.
Dr. Patel: You are . . . you have to . . . I've been . . . that is what I have, as one of the members of the Vaiṣṇava family, think, that you have to worship God not with the body consciousness but with the soul consciousness. Then there is no question of Kṛṣṇa dancing with girls. It is a higher soul embracing the lower souls to Him. Plain it has been . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Dr. Patel: That is what we have been taught from our early days.
Prabhupāda: These rascals, they do not know what is Kṛṣṇa or what is Kṛṣṇa's behavior.
Dr. Patel: And that is right. Even for them. I have no objection if you call me a Māyāvādī.
Prabhupāda: Yes, a Māyāvādī. I know.