Svarūpa Dāmodara: Nobody can check death.
Prabhupāda: Then what is the advancement? The real problems are there. Parābhavas tāvad. Parābhava, simply defeat, wasting time being defeated by the laws of nature. They cannot understand anything properly.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Then why don't they search for real knowledge?
Prabhupāda: That is the . . . therefore they are rascal. Why they are rascal? They will not take real knowledge. Just like children: obstinate. The father says: "Don't touch, don't touch this." But he says: "No, touch," and he touches. As soon as he touches it, he makes (makes noise like one in pain).
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Burned.
Prabhupāda: That is their foolishness. They will not take the experience of Kṛṣṇa; they will manufacture their own experience. That is their folly. Therefore they are called . . . they have been addressed as mūḍhāḥ. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). Lowest of the mankind, mūḍhāḥ, they do not surrender . . . (indistinct)
So they will not take the intelligence given by Kṛṣṇa. They will manufacture their own intelligence. This is their folly. Therefore, they are rascals. Our process is all the big ācāryas, they are taking knowledge from Kṛṣṇa, Vyāsadeva, Kṛṣṇa's representative or guru. That is our process. And they are manufacturing their own laws.
They do not know the system; they take it as dogmatic. Just like we speak of Vaikuṇṭha from experienced knowledge. They won't believe it. But they do not know what are these planets, still they will not believe it. They cannot say anything except their home planet. Even they do not know what are the . . .
They have not studied all the corners of this planet. Therefore they sometimes say: "Oh, this discovery, this is our first discovery." Discovery means they do not know so many things. That is discovery. When they come to know, "Oh, it is working like this . . . (indistinct) . . ." But the things are there. So they do not know so many things, still they are scientists.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They cannot think so many things, because they are concentrated in a small area of even their own . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is we call kūpa-maṇḍūka-nyāya, kūpa-maṇḍūka-nyāya, the frog, Dr. Frog of the well. He cannot conceive what is Atlantic Ocean, but still he will theorize, "Atlantic Ocean may be so big, so big, so big." What experience you can get Atlantic Ocean living in a three-foot well? That is going on. And if I ask you, "What is the measurement of the space?" you cannot say that.
You cannot say that. But there is measurement . . . (indistinct) . . . it may be unlimited for you, but as it is a created thing, there must be measurement. Any created thing has measurement. Unless they agree to submit . . . they must submit. Just like you have submitted, you are . . . (indistinct) . . . so you can understand God. This is the only qualification.