Prabhupāda: Laulyam, yes, right. That is greediness. Laulyam. The verse is by Rūpa Gosvāmī. He advises, kṛṣṇa-bhakti-rasa-bhāvitā matiḥ krīyatāṁ yadi kuto 'pi labhyate: "This Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you purchase. If it is available somewhere, immediately purchase it." So the next question is: if you want to purchase something, you must pay the price. So therefore said that, "The price is laulyam, greediness: How I shall become Kṛṣṇa conscious?" That is price: "How I shall?" "Oh, that I can very easily." No. Na janma-koṭi-sukṛtair labhyate: "If one has done pious activities for many, many births, he also cannot have this greediness." It is so rare. But if you have got that greediness, you get Kṛṣṇa.
Trivikrama: Intense greediness.
Prabhupāda: Intense greediness. So one may think, "Oh, I can be very greedy." So the answer is na janma-koṭi-sukṛtair labhyate.
Mr. Gupta: If a human being can try repeatedly, showing kāma, krodha, lobha, moha . . . he keeps on trying to get over it. He keeps on . . .
Prabhupāda: That is negative side.
Mr. Gupta: . . . and again keeps on trying . . .
Prabhupāda: That is negative side. First of all . . . just like mauna . . . (break) Why maunam? There is no need of maunam. You have to chant: kīrtanīyaḥ sadā. So there is negative side and positive. One who has no information of the positive side, they simply take the negative side. Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. Jagan mithyā, it is all right, but where is that brahma satyam? That brahma satyam is here, when you are fully engaged in serving. Brahma satyam does not mean I simply make negative this, and there is no engagement. That brahma satyam will not endure. You'll fall down. Because you are active. If you have no engagement, then you fall down again. Just like a child, he is engaged in playing always, but engage him in studying. If he gets little interest, then automatically he gives up playing. But if you simply stop playing, then he will become mad. Because activity is there. These Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not know this. They simply take the negative thing—this material engagement, zero, Buddha philosophy, nirvāṇa. And that nirvāṇa is another word, nirviśeṣa. That will not help us. There must be varieties and there must be positive life, and that is bhakti. So without bhakti you cannot stop your nonsense activities, neither . . .
Dr. Patel: Īśvara-parijanat. This rāja-yoga also, citta-vṛtti nirodha mad jīvan . . . But even you get the same thing by īśvara-parijanat. So Vaiṣṇava cult is easier than getting the mind blank and then getting all in the . . . (indistinct) . . . because here your mind is engaged to Lord Himself. It is . . . we call as samādhi.
Prabhupāda: Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59). Just like a man is observing Ekādaśī, fasting. Another, in the hospital, he's also fasting. So these two fastings, they are different.
Dr. Patel: Here fasting of all the senses and applying to God.
Prabhupāda: For satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa. And there, compulsory fasting, but he has got desire. So paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. When you get better taste, when you stop this nonsense for better taste, that is positive. Artificially if you do, it will not benefit.
Dr. Patel: Sir, Ekādaśī, according to the Purāṇas and the stories, all the eleven senses should be withdrawn from their sense objects . . .
Prabhupāda: No, Ekādaśī, that is automatically. Ekādaśī is one of the process for . . . Ja rahe hai kya? (Are you leaving?)
Indian man: Nahi inko thoda kuch kaam tha. Ek patra dena tha wo, koi Punjab se aye huye hai uske liye . . . (No, he has some pending work. There is a letter to be posted, someone from Punjab has come . . .)
Indian lady: Hum aye huye hai. (I have come.)
Indian man: Accha. Mai apko patra de deta hu. Maine phone kar diya hai. Saat baje hum a jayenge, wo admi . . . (Okay. I will give the letter to you. I have told him. By seven o' clock I will reach there . . .)
Indian lady: Thik hai. Ek minute . . . (Okay. One minute.) May I ask one question? I'm running my own school in Hoshiarpur, and it starts to A-class, and I want to convert it into gurukula. How I can make arrangements for the books and that examination or the students can take valid certificate and take examination from recognized board? We should make something.
Prabhupāda: Running on . . .? What is that school?
Indian lady: All kind of . . . private school, English-medium.
Prabhupāda: But if you have to work under government regulation, then you cannot do it. You won't get government help.