Prabhupāda: Jurisdiction.
Prajāpati: Yes.
Karandhara: That's known as speculation.
Prajāpati: But would it be a good proposition to present Kṛṣṇa conscious philosophy in such a systematic way?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You do it. Do it. That is intelligence. Here is the only systematic way to understand God. You simply try to understand the first verse of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Then everything is explained there. Now you can . . . I have explained that, what is meant by God. God means the source of everything. Where is that theologician who can deny it? The first proposition is, "God is that which is the source of everything." Now the next question will be, "What is that source, animate or inanimate?" Just like the scientists, they are claiming "matter." This should be discussed. Then you come to the conclusion, "He must be animate." Then next question is, "Wherefrom the animation came?" Then the conclusion should be that, "He is self-sufficient. There is no need of cause." Then "Why people cannot understand?" That answer is that "Even great, great personality like Brahmā, Indra, they also bewildered." In this way, everything is there in that verse, systematical. Yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā (SB 1.1.1).
Now this material world is also creation of God, but it is shadow; it is not reality. The reality is where there is no illusion, and that is spiritual kingdom. That is the place of God. Everything is there in that verse in the beginning. And then next verse is, the so-called religions, they are kicked out from this Bhāgavatam. The religion is, "God is great, and everyone should worship Him." dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsara . . . (SB 1.1.2). And it is meant for the first-class non-envious person. One who is envious, he will think, "Oh, why shall I worship God?" He cannot. One who is non-envious, he understands that "God is great always. I am always subordinate. Therefore I must worship." This is . . . in systematic way you discuss. "I must worship, because I am dependent. I am not final authority. So the great . . . God is great, and I am always small. So it is my duty to submit to the great." So that is bhakti.
So you can discuss in a systematic way. Bhāgavata is there. There is no difficulty. And it is said there, īśvaraḥ sadyo hṛdy avarudhyate (SB 1.1.2): "By studying this literature, the God immediately becomes captured." Immediately becomes captured. These people are searching after God, but if one understands Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam from the very beginning, rightly, immediately God is captured. Sadyo hṛdy avarudhyate, śuśrūṣubhiḥ, "Those who are seriously and inquisitive, for them." Tat-kṣaṇāt, "immediately." There is no need of taking time, that, "So many years it will take." No. Tat-kṣaṇāt. These are stated in the Bhāgavata.
Prajāpati: We have all the theology, then. This is the theology.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You present Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in true perspective. Then it will be perfection of your education. The so-called theologicians, they cannot understand God. It is not possible. That is not the way that, "I put my theory." He does not understand his value first, that "What is the value of my theory? If I am imperfect, what is the value of my theory?" He does not understand the first principle, and he puts theory. Another rascal, he is putting theory. So what is the value of these theories?
Nara-nārāyaṇa: Actually they are simply selling their theories. Whoever will buy it, they are selling it to.
Prabhupāda: Another rascal is buying. We are not buying. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇam (SB 12.13.18). Spotless knowledge, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Amalam. Amalam means without any spot. (break) . . . of God is given in the dictionary, "supreme being." That is very nice. Everywhere we see that on the top there is a supreme being, just like in your state, the president. So why not this big government, a supreme being? Where is the difficulty? Without something supreme, controller, things cannot go nicely. Otherwise why you select a president? Why you select a supreme being and give him all power that, "Your order will be final"? Why you do that? Because you want the government must go on nicely. Otherwise there is no need of electing a president. So supreme being must be there, in every management. So this big huge management, there must be supreme being. And that is God. Clear, simple understanding. How can you deny?
The difficulty is that with our poor fund of knowledge, we cannot understand that how a supreme being, person, can create the sky, this huge water, the sun, moon. Because I am thinking, "God must be like me." A Dr. Frog. He is thinking, "Atlantic Ocean must be like this well." That is our defect. He cannot conceive that beyond this well there can be a vast, great mass of water. He cannot conceive. So comparing his intelligence, he is thinking that "How it is possible that a person can create such a big sky, such big, huge . . .?" Bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ (BG 7.4). This earth, so big, huge quantity of earthly planet. So not only one; millions. And then water, then fire, then . . . he cannot conceive. He is thinking that, "If there is God, He must be like me. So I cannot do this. Therefore there is no God." The same, "Yes. I close my eyes. Then there is no enemies." That's all.