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Here all men are covered by these two base qualities - everyone - passion & ignorance. Therefore, first of all they have to be brought to the platform of goodness. And if they can keep goodness uncontaminated, they are transferred to the spiritual world

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"Here all men are covered by these two base qualities—all men and animal, everyone—passion and ignorance. Therefore, first of all they have to be brought to the platform of goodness. And if they can keep goodness uncontaminated, they are transferred to the spiritual world"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1975 Conversations and Morning Walks

In the material world, goodness is prone to be contaminated. In the spiritual world, the other two qualities, they are not existing. So there is no question of contamination. Here all men are covered by these two base qualities—all men and animal, everyone—passion and ignorance. Therefore, first of all they have to be brought to the platform of goodness. And if they can keep goodness uncontaminated, they are transferred to the spiritual world.

Prabhupāda: They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement of education. Just see. They are not even fourth-class men; they are animals, producing so many animals, that's all, dogs and hogs. (break) . . .in the beginning, śamaḥ. Śamaḥ, damaḥ—first two business. Control the sense and keep the mind undisturbed. That is the beginning. Now they are so much sexually disturbed, they're discussing about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class men?

Paramahaṁsa: They say that homosex keeps the balance of things because. . .

Prabhupāda: Yes, fourth-class man can say anything wrong, bad, but we are not going to hear of it. A fourth-class man's philosophy, we will have to waste our time to hear them—that's not good. They are not even fourth class; they are animal class. Fourth class has got some position, but they are narādhama, the lowest of the mankind. So what is their philosophy, and who is going to spoil his time to hear about their philosophy? (pause) (break)

Amogha: In that verse it says, jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyam (BG 18.42). What is the difference between jñānam and vijñānam?

Prabhupāda: Jñānam means theoretical; vijñānam means practical.

Gaṇeśa: Saṅkīrtana movement is vijñānam.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (pause) (break) He is in goodness, but sometimes he is attacked by the other two base qualities, passion and ignorance. Then he falls down. Where there is chance of being contaminated, that is not pure goodness. Pure goodness is never contaminated. That is wanted.

Paramahaṁsa: So pure goodness means those eight qualities mentioned in the Gītā but without any contamination of the lower qualities.

Prabhupāda: Yes. In the material world, goodness is prone to be contaminated. In the spiritual world, the other two qualities, they are not existing. So there is no question of contamination. Here all men are covered by these two base qualities—all men and animal, everyone—passion and ignorance. Therefore, first of all they have to be brought to the platform of goodness. And if they can keep goodness uncontaminated, they are transferred to the spiritual world. (break)

Gaṇeśa: Just like you say, some of the devotees, they fall down they are striving to be in the mode of goodness. If they're sincere, they still fall down?

Prabhupāda: If they are sincere, how they become fall down? They are not sincere; therefore they fall down.

Amogha: Madhudviṣa Swami was telling us once that sincerity must be combined with spiritual strength.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Spiritual strength means sincerity, and sincerity means spiritual strength. If I promise before the fire, before the Deity, before my spiritual master that "I shall observe the rules and regulation," and if I don't follow, then where is my sincerity?

Gaṇeśa: But the devotees, they're trying to be in the mode of goodness. In the Bhagavad-gītā. . .

Prabhupāda: Well, the trying. . . Then why do you take initiation and promise? You are trying. First of all, you be fixed up. Why do you cheat Kṛṣṇa, the spiritual master, the fire? If you are not fixed up, you should not take initiation.

Page Title:Here all men are covered by these two base qualities - everyone - passion & ignorance. Therefore, first of all they have to be brought to the platform of goodness. And if they can keep goodness uncontaminated, they are transferred to the spiritual world
Compiler:Nabakumar
Created:2022-09-26, 09:12:01
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
No. of Quotes:1