Prabhupāda: Oh, you . . . Nowadays you pay somebody, and he will do anything. So they appointed this Jinnah. He found that he is a very intelligent lawyer. He was in the Congress. So there was dissension. There must be. So once this Jinnah was to be the president of the Congress, and the Patel, he frustrated. So Jinnah became angry, and at this moment the Britishers took it. He was a very intelligent barrister. So he instigated that "You form a party, Muslim League. And whatever money is required for propaganda, we shall pay." So regular subscription was raised from all big, big British companies, mercantile, to pay him: "Whatever money, you organize the Muslims against the Hindus." And he did it.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Jinnah, he was Muslim.
Prabhupāda: He was neither Muslim nor Hindu. He was an intelligent barrister coming from the . . . His father—means not real father—his father was Parsi, and he kept one Muhammadan girl. So the Jinnah is the issue of this . . . (to passerby:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Indian man: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Today at 2:30 we have program at Pietermaritz City Hall. Yes. Come along.
Indian man: Not Carlisle Street?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No. (to Prabhupāda) Carlisle Street is the Ārya-samāj temple. (laughs) So . . .
Prabhupāda: "So if you make propaganda and pay money to go against the Hindus and incite them"—gradually it developed. And the money was being paid by the Britishers. And he saw that money is coming. He had no feeling, national or . . . He wanted money, that's all. For money you can purchase anything nowadays.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Why did the British build all so many railroads?
Prabhupāda: For drawing raw materials from villages and bring it to the Calcutta, Bombay port and export to their country. Because their country does not produce anything. They’re starving. Still England, London, is maintained by importing goods from Africa, India, here, there. They have no food . . . (indistinct) . . . They can grow some potato, maybe. Potato only. That was the reason of expanding their empire. They had no food at home, England. They were manufacturing cotton cloth. That cotton was not grown in their country. It was brought from Egypt. They manipulated things in such a way. In America also they wanted to do that, but Americans, just understanding, separated, George Washington. In America I have heard that each family was to maintain a British soldier. You know that?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No, I didn’t know that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And they brought tea from India and other places and sell it in America. Their whole policy was they exploit the whole world and bring money in London. That's all. And one who will do that, he will be honored by the state, given Earl of some small village. It has no value. Earl of this whole . . ., this man . . ., place, Lord of this. (laughter) A few acres of land, and he is Lord of Chelmsford. And they will be given big, big post—governor, viceroy.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Why did Nehru, though . . . He was so closely associated with Gandhi, and Gandhi was for getting the foreign products out. Why did Nehru go so much against that policy? Why did Nehru?
Prabhupāda: No, Nehru, he was searching after some big post, that's all. All these political agitators, they want the big post, that's all. You give them big post and they will be satisfied. They will no more agitate. Political agitators mean they want some prize post from the government, that's all. Make them some minister, and they will be no more agitator.