Prabhupāda: This is government's duty, to see, "Why you are claiming vaiśya? Your industry is to produce food grains, agriculture, to give protection to the cows." So in India ten thousand cows are being killed, and the vaiśyas are big, big Birlas, big, big Dalmias. You see.
Satish Kumar: Sitting quiet. (laughs) Yes.
Prabhupāda: Similarly brāhmaṇas. Nehru, he was a brāhmaṇa. What did he do as a brāhmaṇa? But he was at the head of the government. Who will speak against him? Everything is topsy turvy.
Satish Kumar: Hmm. When such . . . when such situation arises where the king is no more representing the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and the vaiśyas are no more following their duty . . .
Prabhupāda: This is, this is . . . this world is material world. And . . .
(aside:) Why don't you come here? You can take another pad, sit comfortably.
Woman guest: It's too hot over there. Because of the fire.
Satish Kumar: She's very hot.
Prabhupāda: (aside) So, you can open this. I keep little water, rheumatic.
Satish Kumar: Yes. Yes.
Prabhupāda: You can sit down near me.
Devotee: Would you like a chair?
Woman guest: No.
Satish Kumar: My question was that when there is no more people following their sva-dharma, their true self . . .
Prabhupāda: That anyone can do at any moment.
Satish Kumar: Hmm?
Prabhupāda: Any moment.
Satish Kumar: Yeah. But then what is the action for the . . . practical action, practical . . . to bring it back. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Practical action . . . if you give up . . . if a brāhmaṇa gives up his sva-dharma, then it becomes a varṇa-saṅkara.
Satish Kumar: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Kula-dharma.
(aside) What is that in the Bhagavad-gītā, we were reading yesterday? Jāti-dharma, kula-dharma.
So they produce varṇa-saṅkara. If one does not follow the jāti-dharma, the kula-dharma, then he comes to the category of the varṇa-saṅkara. Saṅkaro narakāyaiva (BG 1.41). So when a person born in brāhmaṇa family is not acting as a brāhmaṇa, he's varṇa-saṅkara. So when there are number of people varṇa-saṅkara class, then the whole society becomes hell, narakāyaiva. Śaṅkaro narakāyaiva.