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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become... What is the use of producing some rascal guru? | | <div class="heading">No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become... What is the use of producing some rascal guru? |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text">Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them." | | |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not... | | |
| | <mp3player>https://vanipedia.s3.amazonaws.com/clip/770422R3-BOMBAY_clip.mp3</mp3player> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Today I was reading a very beautiful section of ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta ''that Kṛṣṇa comes in the form of the spiritual master. And then that . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: Spiritual master is a revelation of Kṛṣṇa. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. |
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| | Prabhupāda: ''Guru''-''kṛṣṇa''. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It was mentioning how the initiator spiritual master is the representative of Śrī-Śrī-Madana-mohana, and the instructing spiritual master is a representative of Śrī-Govindadeva. Very nice explanation you gave in the purport. |
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| | Prabhupāda: As far as possible, I have tried to present. In one place I have criticized my Godbrothers. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Last night? |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, no, in ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta''. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah, at the end, in one line. We were . . . when we read that, it was actually relishable—very personal. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja is little . . . |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He read it? |
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| | Prabhupāda: I think so. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did he make any comment? |
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| | Prabhupāda: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use'' guru ''as their instrument for sense enjoyment, and another party left ''guru''. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tīrtha Mahārāja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through ''guru''. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva. |
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| | Prabhupāda: So both of them are severe offenders. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about Śrīdhara Mahārāja? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said: "It is better that he is aloof from them." |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted. | | Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted. |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that... That doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof just as our Prabhupāda..." | | |
| Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the, our Surabhī's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that . . . that doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof, just as our Prabhupāda . . ." |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the . . . our Surabhi's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good. |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking. |
| Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the... You admit." People complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you know that? | | |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general... | | Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the . . . you admit." (pause) People complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you know that? |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany. | | Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany. |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there. |
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| Prabhupāda: So many complaints. | | Prabhupāda: So many complaints. |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good. |
| Prabhupāda: No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become. | | |
| | Prabhupāda: No, you become ''guru'', but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become. |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there. |
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| Prabhupāda: Did you know that? | | Prabhupāda: Did you know that? |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah. |
| Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru? | | |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible... | | Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal ''guru''? |
| Prabhupāda: Hm. | | |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...but not now. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be ''guru''. Maybe one day it may be possible . . . |
| Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ācārya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. | | |
| | Prabhupāda: Hmm. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . but not now. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some ''guru''. I shall say, "Now you become ''ācārya''. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ''ācārya''. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there. |
| Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 7.128|CC Madhya 7.128]]). "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower... | | |
| | Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. ''Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā ''([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 7.128|CC Madhya 7.128]]). "You become ''guru''." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower . . . |
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp. | | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp. |
| Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahārāja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this. | | |
| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That word "mess," by that word he meant eating, messing, eating?
| | Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become'' guru'', and a small temple and "''guru''." What kind of ''guru''? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff . . . my Guru Mahārāja used to say: "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. ''khaoa daoar adda khana'': "Joint mess." He said this. |
| Prabhupāda: Yes. Messing, there is a system. Some clerks, they make a small cooperative hotel. In India there are many.
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That I see in South India sometimes... In places like hotels I see.
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| Prabhupāda: Yes.
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Men who work, they all come...
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| Prabhupāda: Cooperative effort.
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he called that a joint mess, and he said that some of the disciples were doing that.
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| Prabhupāda: He knew that. What is the use? Tīrtha Mahārāja's defense was that. "These people..." They were fighting with Tīrtha Mahārāja in the court that "Tīrtha Mahārāja was not good." Tīrtha Mahārāja's only defense was "All right, you want to combine to make a guru. All right, why don't you combine yourself for preaching?"
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was his defense?
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| Prabhupāda: That "You want to work jointly, so why you do not work jointly? You are jointly working to harass me. Why not preach jointly?"
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was their reply?
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| Prabhupāda: No reply.
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| Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So it was a good defense.
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| Prabhupāda: Yes. "You have joined together to defeat me. Why don't you preach jointly? What do you want? That I shall also join and we shall jointly preach. Do this. You are divided amongst yourselves, and you have joined together to defeat me." Śrīdhara Mahārāja is the leader.
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