Prabhupāda: You are serving your senses means you are serving the dictation of your senses. Is it not?
Guest (1): Right.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Similarly, if you serve the dictation of Kṛṣṇa, then you serve Kṛṣṇa. You are serving your senses means your eyes want to see a beautiful thing, dictates, "My dear sir, please take me to that beautiful." You go. So you are serving your dictation of the sense gratification of the eyes. Your tongue is pinching you, "Please give me a cigarette." Oh, you at once supply, "Yes." So you are serving your senses means the dictation of your senses. Similarly, if you practice to serve the dictation of Kṛṣṇa, then you are liberated. Simply you have to change the account. That's all. Your service position will continue, because we are eternally servants. You are never master.
Guest (1): Well, when I . . . serving my senses . . .
Prabhupāda: Then you are conditioned.
Guest (1): . . . attempting to satisfy them. Right?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything is for satisfaction. But if you, sense . . . if you falsely satisfy your senses . . . just like suppose you are a diseased man. If you have got fever, and you want to eat some delicious food, the doctor has forbidden you, "Don't accept such-and-such food." But your senses demand that, "If I could eat such-and-such thing," then you become more diseased.
So first of all we should understand that because I have got this body, it is my diseased condition. Because I am spirit soul. I have developed this particular type of body for this gratification of false material senses. You cannot satisfy your senses, because this is false satisfaction. Because actually this body . . . you are not this body. Therefore even you try to satisfy your senses, that is flickering and that is temporary. But actual sense enjoyment is spiritual sense enjoyment that has no end, that has no limit. Brahma-saukhyaṁ tad anantam (SB 5.5.1), unlimited.
Just like a diseased man, if you give a nice foodstuff, he cannot eat much. After tasting, "All right, that's all." Finished. Because he is diseased. And give to a healthy man, oh, he will take so much. This is a crude example. Similarly, when you are spiritually purified, then actually you can make your sense enjoyment. When you are materially contaminated, that is false, temporary, increasing your material disease.
Guest (1): So by serving Kṛṣṇa, serving . . .
Prabhupāda: By serving Kṛṣṇa you will also satisfy your senses. Kṛṣṇa's name is Govinda. Go means senses, and vinda means one who gives pleasure to the senses. Do you mean to say that here the boys who are giving service to the, I mean to say, Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa, they are not enjoying? Without enjoying can they serve free? They are giving service free. Whenever you go to render some service, you immediately demand some money. But here in this temple, so many young boys, they are giving service free. Not only that: whatever they are earning, they are also paying Kṛṣṇa. So do you think unless they get some enjoyment they are doing it foolishly?
Sense enjoyment must be there, but that is spiritual sense enjoyment, purified sense enjoyment. We are training people in that way, that we don't stop your sense enjoyment, but enjoy it in its purified state. Because sense enjoyment cannot be stopped. You are living entity, living being; the senses are there. But we do not know the way of sense enjoyment. That is to be learned by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.