Guest (1): Some of the latest findings of the psychologists says that when child grows and becomes a man, his ego also develops and it also becomes a man. Now, if the . . . if it is all the ego and his personality and identity also dissolved, and, and how he can live or how we can develop or how we can progress? Because the whole, whole progress is this, the progress of ego.
Prabhupāda: First thing is that ego, if you are qualified with false ego, that ego development is dangerous for you. Suppose you are . . . you are falsely thinking that you are king. Although you are a servant, you are thinking, "I am king." This is false ego. And if you increase this false ego, then where is the benefit? You are misled. Is it not?
Guest (1): That is the personality of man today.
Prabhupāda: No, personality, falsely, he should be personal. You, you should be egoistic in right way, as your position is. If you falsely think that, "I am this," so what is the use of such increasing that ego? It is psychologically wrong. Just like madman, he is thinking, "I am the king of this Ahmedabad." And if he increases that ego, what benefit he'll get? Just like the madman does also. He falls down on the street, "I am the king." (laughs)
So this kind of false ego increasing is simply suicidal. If it is right ego . . . therefore the Vedas says that, "You are not this body. You are spirit soul. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi." That is right ego. And if I am thinking I am this body, then that kind of increasing the ego is a dangerous. That is actual . . . the Americans are, "We are the greatest nation."
The Indians are thinking, Pakistan is thinking. There is fight. You increase your ego, I increase my ego. Then we fight. What is the benefit of this ego? But if every one of us think that, "I am servant of Kṛṣṇa," increase that, then there will be happiness. Everyone is thinking, "I am a competitor of Kṛṣṇa. Why Kṛṣṇa shall become God? I am God." That kind of ego is cause of falldown. It will never become any happy situation.
Guest (2): Sir, in this world, people like us, who are serving the people, they say . . . we say that with all the people, politicians, economists, educators, schools and laborers everywhere, he says, and we repeat also, those who are just like brāhmins and laymen, that īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ yat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagat, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā (ISO 1). And we say that . . .
Prabhupāda: Do you think the politicians follow īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam?
Guest (2): Poor people . . .
Prabhupāda: Then?
Guest (2): What is there in the poor people and . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. When you cite īśāvāsya and at the same time "politicians" and "leader," do you think the leaders and the politicians follow īśāvāsya philosophy?