Karandhara: The Māyāvādīs will not be able to be so philosophical in their next lives when they're dogs or cats.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: They have to have a human body in order to enjoy that philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Their philosophy is that there is only one—God. So cats and dogs, that is God's līlā, His . . . that is their rascal philo . . . God is making pastimes, līlā, by becoming a dog. That is their rascal philosophy. Daridra-nārāyaṇa, the Vivekananda's philosophy. Nārāyaṇa has become daridra, poor. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
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So with chemists we have no quarrel if they begin from light. They're beginning from darkness. That is our contention. We say: "Begin from light." And they say: "No, begin from darkness." Because they're in darkness. One who is in the darkness, from darkness if he goes to light, he thinks that the darkness is the beginning.
Paramahaṁsa: In comparison, they always compare. They always compare . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no comparison. It is practical. Suppose you have been in darkness for millions of years, and when you come to the light you think that, "Oh, from darkness the light has come." Light, when it becomes dimmed, that is darkness. Not that darkness, light has come.
Kṛṣṇa-kāntī: Darkness cannot exist without light.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Or in the light there is no darkness. When the light is dimmed, that is darkness. Similarly, when Kṛṣṇa consciousness is dimmed, that is material.
Kṛṣṇa-kāntī: (referring to ground) It's very wet.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's quite wet.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We shall go on there. After awaken, when one becomes tired, he comes to sleep. Or the life, when it is somehow or other disturbed, sleepless comes. When at night we sleep and get up in the morning, it is not that from sleeping condition this life condition has come. I slept some reason or I was in life condition, but I slept, again I am coming to life—that is their philosophy. Just like a child, baby, comes from the womb of the mother. From the day he comes out of the womb, if he thinks, "Now, from this day my life has begun," that is not the fact. He's eternal, but he was constructing his body within the womb of the mother, therefore he was unconscious. Now, as soon as the body is finished, he comes out and again comes to consciousness.