Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That was described in some English book, the man?
Hari-śauri: Gulliver's Travels.
Bhavānanda: Gulliver's Travels.
Prabhupāda: Ha, ha, yes. These rascals, they do not know there is Gulliver. They are thinking very big.
Bhavānanda: Also, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when there is some natural calamity . . . Like I read in the newspaper, four thousand people were killed immediately in Guatemala.
Bhavānanda: That is also the demigods?
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, greater than you, you admit it—demigods or God or anything. But why you are thinking yourself so big? That is your fault. That is foolishness. I am a big man amongst a small, teeny living entities. But why you are thinking you are biggest of all, you can understand everything? That is your fault. This is the folly of the conditioned soul. He is nothing. He has no value. Still, he is thinking he is very great. Everything is big and small relatively. Just like here, if one man has got 100,000 rupees, he's a big man. But what is 100,000 rupees in America?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One year's salary for an average man.
Hṛdayānanda: A worker.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Lakh-pati. Here they call, lakh-pati. Lakh-pati means owner of 100,000 rupees.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Lakh-pati.
Prabhupāda: So what is this lakh-pati there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This fog appears just like an ocean, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It looks just like the ocean.
Prabhupāda: Frozen. Frozen ocean. Means they are defeated; they are coming down. By the sun they are defeated. They were high. "Now go down." Now it will be finished.