Svarūpa Dāmodara: We see the practical example. If you are alcoholic . . .
Prabhupāda: Even if you reduce or increase—suppose you are to live for hundred years, if you make it hundred and ten—so what is your profit? And if you are to live for hundred years, reduce time ten years, so what is the profit? You cannot live here, that is a fact—reduce or increase. This is all nonsense. What is increase? The trees, they have more longer period, increased the period of life. Is, that kind of living is very profitable? What for increasing? To suffering. Your life is already suffering. Why you are covering this body? You cannot stand here, open body. That is suffering.
You are trying to save yourself from the suffering. This is life, struggle for existence. Manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati (BG 15.7). Simply struggle. So if you increase your life for struggling again, then what is the profit? This is . . . the rascals, they do not understand. Even if you increase, what profit you will get? Your life is all suffering. So the foolish persons, they cannot understand. The real problem is how to stop your suffering. Reduce or increase, it doesn't matter. But that you cannot do. You'll have to die. This is your suffering. Nobody wants to die. You'll have to become old man. Suppose a old man, suffering from so many diseases, and he increases his life. What is the profit there?
Yaśomatīnandana: That is what they do by heart transplant.
Prabhupāda: This is all nonsense. Stop death; then it is an achievement. That's all. Stop disease, that is achievement. But that you cannot do. What is the profit reducing and increasing or decreasing?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. I am saying therefore disease, not "this disease" or "that disease." Disease mean any kind of disease. That is credit. That is credit. If you guarantee that, "Here is a chemical composition—when a man takes it, no more disease," that is credit. But you cannot do that. Then where is your credit? You simply struggle. The struggle increase. That's all. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9). We shall come down? The water is coming or . . .?
Karandhara: Looks like the water is coming up, Prabhupāda.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The waves are very big.
Prabhupāda: (referring to sunrise) Now, such a huge quantity of coloring, wherefrom coming, red color? And it will disappear after few minutes. Have you got any control over it, scientist?
Karandhara: Now there is a big scarcity of dye, coloring dye.