Tadā rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ (SB 1.2.19). When one is situated as a devotee, then this base quality, rajas-tamaḥ, ignorance and passion, the symptoms: kāma-lobhādayaś. Kāma, lusty desires, and greediness. Sex desire, strong sex desire or satisfy the senses, eating too much, lobha, greediness—these things go. Nityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā bhagavaty uttama . . . when one is situated in devotional service, tadā rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ. These are rajas-tamo . . . these are the symptoms of rajas-tamo. Tadā rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye, ceta etair anāviddham. The mind is no more disturbed with all these things. Sthitaṁ sattve prasīdati. Then he is to be understood he's in the sattva-guṇa. That is perfect brahminical life. Then he'll be pleased. Prasīdati. In this way, gradual step. So it is very difficult to bring, introduce, varṇāśrama, but at least there must be some idea. Just like in the university, nobody is going to study higher mathematics, higher English literature. Nobody goes, even in your country. The classes are almost vacant. But still, the government does not close it. The expenditure is high, but there is no student, no income. Therefore the professors coming to us, "Give us some student." You know that?
Satsvarūpa: Religion professors.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, higher studies . . .
Satsvarūpa: Yes. "Send us some of your men."
Prabhupāda: Nobody is interested with higher study. They want some technological understanding so that they can earn money. That's all. This is only interest.
Satsvarūpa: In our ISKCON, one becomes a brāhmaṇa after a year. It's not very hard. Everyone becomes a brāhmaṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is due to chanting. That lift very easily.
Hari-śauri: Where will we introduce the varṇāśrama system, then?
Prabhupāda: In our society, amongst our members.
Hari-śauri: But then if everybody's being raised to the brahminical platform . . .
Prabhupāda: Not everybody. Why you are misunderstanding? Varṇāśrama, not everybody.
Hari-śauri: No, but in our society practically everyone is being raised to that platform. So then one might ask what is . . .
Prabhupāda: That is . . . everybody is being raised, but they're falling down.
Hari-śauri: So then we should make it more difficult to get . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: . . . brahminical initiation. After four or five years.
Prabhupāda: Not necessary. You remain as a kṣatriya. You'll be ha . . .
Hari-śauri: No need for even any brāhmaṇa initiation, then . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Hari-śauri: . . . unless one is . . .
Prabhupāda: No, brāhmaṇa must be there. Why do you say, generalize?
Hari-śauri: Unless one is particularly . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: . . . inclined.
Prabhupāda: Not that a śūdra man is by force become a brahmin, you cannot improve. That is not possible. But even if he remains a śūdra and does accordingly, he will get the same position as devotee. Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya sam . . . (BG 18.46). He'll get it perfection. At the present moment the idea is: if one remains a śūdra, then he cannot get perfection. No. Even a śūdra can get perfection, provided he does the work of a śūdra perfectly.
Hari-śauri: For Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Therefore why a śūdra artificially should be a brāhmaṇa? Let them . . . let him remain a śūdra, and if he follows strictly the rules and regulation of śūdra, he'll also be as good as a brahmin. The same example, just like head is as important as my leg. It is not that because it is leg, it is less important than my head. And if you ask the head, "Do the work of a leg," it is impossible. And if you ask the leg to work as a brain, that is impossible. Let him remain brain, let him remain leg, and do your duty, and you become perfect.