Svarūpa Dāmodara: Ākāśa-puṣpa. Prabhupāda: Ākāśa-puṣpa. Or the bakāṇḍa-nyāya. Bakāṇḍa. Bakāṇḍa, the testicle of the bull, and the duck, he is expecting, "Here is a fish. It will drop, and I will take it." He is following. Have you seen? In India we have seen many. The bull is going on, on the . . . and the baka is going on. And whole day and night, he is after that: "It is a fish, big fish. It will drop and I shall take." Bakāṇḍa-nyāya.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There is also a bird, Śrīla Prabhupāda, it is called heron, h-e-r-o-n
Prabhupāda: Heron? I do not know.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah. They have long beaks. They also, they are always with the cows.
Prabhupāda: That is baka. We call baka.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are all the time . . . they stay mostly in wetlands.
Prabhupāda: Yes, bakāṇḍa-nyāya.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The scientists, when we say that, "The attempts that you are doing are no good," then they want to make sure that what I am saying is right.
Prabhupāda: Yes, because I see that you are rascal, therefore I am right. You are rascal. You don't admit, but I see that you are a rascal. You don't admit, but I see that you are a rascal. Therefore I am right. This is the argument. You are so rascal that you cannot admit your rascaldom. Just like this moon planet expedition. But I, sixteen years before, I told that these are rascals. Therefore I am right.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They claim that, "We have done so much."
Prabhupāda: What have you done? You have simply spoiled money. That's all. In that sense I have done so much. Simply by teaching people, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa," they are coming to such light. What do you think? Huh? I have done most wonderful things than them. (japa)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But even if they do not know during their lifetime, at least, towards the end of their life, at the time of death, then they'll remember that "I have wasted my life."
Prabhupāda: That is warned by Śaṅkarācārya. Vivekananda lamented at the end of his life that, "I have simply wasted my life." He admitted, "I have not given anything." Bālakānām. He was after this body, and he was recorded, government record, as political sannyāsī.