Prabhupāda: You are the not owner, but you are occupier.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like a house. There are two persons—one is the tenant and the other is the landlord. The proprietor is the landlord, and the tenant is occupier. Actually that is self-realization, that I must know that, "I am occupier of this body but I am not proprietor." The proprietor is God.
Professor: That's why, when I say, that we were talking about limits. (Spanish)
Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He's saying that all religions agree that man can be perfected, although he may not be perfect now . . .
Prabhupāda: No, we are not talking of religion. We are talking of philosophy and science. When we talk about these things that the occupier of the body is within the body, it is neither any Christian knowledge or nor Hindu knowledge nor . . . it is fact. It is a science. The science cannot be "I believe" or "You believe" or "You . . ." That is not science. Science is science. I have already said: "Two plus two equal to four" is equally applicable everywhere. Similarly, this is knowledge, that the proprietor, or the occupier, of the body is within the body. You can study from any angle of vision. The fact is there.
Professor: Is it transcendent?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that occupier or . . .
Professor: I don't care who is the owner of my body. I know that it is not going to be eternally mine because this body is going to corrupt, is going to die, and we will have to bury it, so bury it, so that everybody will be happy. But I don't care about that, because I . . .
Prabhupāda: That is animal. That is animal. That is animal conception. That is animal conception, that a dog doesn't care. Similarly, if you don't care, then you are no better than the dog.
Professor: I would not agree with that.
Prabhupāda: Why not? Because your conception, your conception, the dog conception, the same.
Professor: Well, you were saying beforehand . . . before . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, the dog doesn't care whether he is the proprietor of the body or not. So if I don't care, then what is the difference between dog and me?
Professor: The difference between dog and men is a very slight one, that men can think, that men can reason.
Prabhupāda: So you say slight; we say nothing. Unless one has got this transcendental knowledge, he is no better than the dog.
Professor: Dogs have knowledge.
Prabhupāda: Yes, for eating, sleeping and sex life and defense, everyone has got knowledge. Dog has knowledge. You have got knowledge. But what is the distinction between you and dog? In your life, you can realize the transcendence. The dog cannot. That makes you distinct from . . .
Professor: Now, how can you be so sure of that? Have you ever been in a dog's mind? How can. . . as you have already said . . .
Prabhupāda: There is no need . . . there is no need, because dog is busy for his bodily requisition. And if you are simply busy for your bodily requisition, then what is the difference between you and dog? We have to take the principle.