Dr. Patel: No, these boys who are recruited newly, they don't have much about the idea of Vaiṣṇavism. That is the . . .
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That's a fact. But what can I do? They are my helper.
Dr. Patel: They have to be trained up earlier and then let loose. Otherwise, you know, they create it. Because all the bad impressions are for them.
Prabhupāda: No. They'll be trained while working. Not that simply theorizing at home. No.
Dr. Patel: That's right, but I think . . .
Prabhupāda: They should work, and at the same time, they may fall down, just like a child tries to walk, falls down, again walks, again . . . Then he becomes complete.
Dr. Patel: Those thirty, I mean, characteristics of a sādhu that are depicted in the, in Bhāgavata . . .
Prabhupāda: That is not possible in one day.
Dr. Patel: Thirty cannot come, but a few should come.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Few that . . . they are . . . yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate (SB 5.18.12). If they have got unflinching faith in Kṛṣṇa and guru, that is all qualification.
Dr. Patel: That is a fact.
Prabhupāda: That is all qualification. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇaiḥ. All these qualities are already there.
Dr. Patel: But for that, you see, he has to withdraw his mind and all the senses from . . .
Prabhupāda: Even he does not withdraw, even it is sudurācāra, api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva saḥ (BG 9.30).
Dr. Patel: But then bhajate mām ananya-bhāk.
Prabhupāda: Yes, ananya-bhāk, they are doing that.
Dr. Patel: Without severing his mind, anywhere he goes . . .
Prabhupāda: No. They are fixed up in Kṛṣṇa. That is a fact. That is a fact. You cannot bribe them to take from this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is not possible. They may commit some mistake, but they are fixed up in Kṛṣṇa. That is bhajate mām ananya-bhāk. You cannot deviate them. Sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ (BG 9.30). So this qualification they have, and for this qualification they will be triumphant, without anything else. (aside:) We shall return now?
Dr. Patel: Those thirty qualifications do come naturally, as you say, but they come slowly. But (Hindi) we must teach them this in the kṛṣṇa-bhakti, the qualities of a real sādhu.
Prabhupāda: If you make a condition that "First of all you become qualified; then you preach," that will never come. Rūpa Gosvāmī therefore recommends, yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.4), that "Somehow or other bring him to Kṛṣṇa consciousness." Then other . . . sarve vidhi-niṣedhāḥ. Vidhi-niṣedhāḥ. Sarve vidhi-niṣedhā syur etayor eva kiṅkarāḥ. Automatically they'll come as servant. First of all let their mind be fixed up on Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Dr. Patel: But the present difficulties are because they don't know the vidhi-niṣedhas.
Prabhupāda: So how they can know?
Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty.
Prabhupāda: How they can know?
Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty.
Prabhupāda: So we . . . we are bringing them from which status? Yes. You cannot expect that they will be perfect all of a sudden, overnight. It is not possible. But their mind being fixed up on Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is the first qualification. They do not know anything beyond Kṛṣṇa. That's all. (pause)
Dr. Patel: In our Vaiṣṇava religions this vidhi-niṣedha is a must, right from the beginning.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is must. It is must. But you cannot force in the beginning. That is not possible.
Dr. Patel: But they have to be explained of it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But if they fix up their mind in Kṛṣṇa, the vidhi-niṣedha automatically will come. That process I adopted. When they came to me I never said that "You don't do this, don't do that, don't do that." No. "You simply come here and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." These are . . . Old students learned. I never said that "You have to follow these rules, these regulation, then you can come . . ." Because if chanting is properly done, then ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12)—the mind will be cleansed of all dirty things. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathā kṛṣṇa puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ (SB 1.2.17). Simply by hearing and chanting, they will be pious. Hṛdy antaḥ 'stho hy abhadrāṇi vidhunoti suhṛt satām. Kṛṣṇa is there. As soon as He sees one devotee is sincerely chanting, He'll help, cleansing the heart.