Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the main point. The subtle body carries the soul. Just like in dream, we are carried by the subtle body and placed in different condition. But so long this body is capable of working, I come to this body. My dream is over, and I come back to this body. And death means that this body, being useless, instead of coming to this body, I go to another body. This is transmigration. Just like when you vacate one apartment, then you do not come back in that apartment, but you enter another apartment. Is it clear?
Haṁsadūta: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Anybody can understand. I am coming, going, but when it is a question of vacating, I go out of the apartment, but I never come back again. I will enter another apartment, "The soul enters another body" means enters the womb of another mother. And there the suitable body is created, and again mother delivers the child. Again new chapter of life begins. Where is the difficulty to understand? But they are so rascal and dull-headed, the simple thing they cannot understand. And still, they are big, big scientists, philosophers, and cheating others. They are unable to understand, themselves, and the same rascal knowledge they are distributing to others and taking Nobel Prize. This is the mūḍhas, the society of the cheaters and the cheated.
Where is the difficulty to understand the simple thing, how the soul is transmigrating? They sometimes say that, "We do not see how it is going." No, how . . .? Can you see the mind? But can you deny, "There is no mind"? Mind is there. Everyone knows I have got mind, you have got mind, but do I see your mind? Therefore I shall deny the existence of mind? Mind, intelligence and ego—these three things are there, but we cannot see. How my mind is working, can you see? Or how your mind is working, can I see? And because I cannot see, therefore shall I conclude that you have no mind, I have no mind? How foolish they are. What is their explanation, Satsvarūpa?
Satsvarūpa: I was just thinking of a different argument of theirs.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Satsvarūpa: That is that sometimes people say: "I don't mind if this transmigration if I become a cat or a dog, because if I forget so completely, it doesn't matter. I won't even suffer."
Prabhupāda: But it doesn't matter, but if I say that, "I will turn you immediately into a dog," will you agree to become?
Satsvarūpa: No.
Prabhupāda: Why? You'll forget.
Satsvarūpa: Fearful.
Prabhupāda: If I say that, "I can turn you immediately to become a dog . . ." That is possible, but will you agree to become a dog?
Mādhavānanda: No.
Prabhupāda: Why? You will forget. That is foolishness. "Because I shall forget, therefore I don't care for it"—this is childish, foolish proposal. If I say: "I will turn you immediately to this grass, and you will stay here for one hundred years," will you agree to stand like that for hundred years? Hare Kṛṣṇa. In the Western countries actually there is no philosophy.