Hṛdayānanda: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: You don't see, that does not mean I don't see. Why do you accept like that? You may be fool, rascal.
Karandhara: They want their team of scientists to see it.
Prabhupāda: Scientist means another rascal. Big rascal. You are a rascal, and your bigger scientist, he's a big rascal. He's a big rascal. Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). You know this verse? Explain.
Hṛdayānanda: People who are like hogs, dogs, camels and asses glorify nondevotees.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the . . . anyone nondevotee, he's a big camel, or big dog or big swine, like that. So these people who are praising them, they are also cats and dogs and swines, and the leader is also big swine. That's all. That is the difference. The so-called scientist, philosopher, is a big animal. That's all. But he is animal.
Karandhara: They say we're just dreamers.
Prabhupāda: Dreamer?
Karandhara: Dreamers. That we dream. We make up fantasies about God and heaven, but actually . . .
Prabhupāda: Why fancies? You have no brain to understand; therefore you say, "fancy."
Karandhara: Well, their common ground of objectivity is what they can perceive with the senses.