Prabhupāda: Now explain.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So this material world is a perverted reflection of the transcendental spiritual world. Everything that we find here can somehow..., we can trace its origins to the spiritual world. Just like we have...
Prabhupāda: Therefore it is said, ūrdhva-mūlam. Mūlam means root. Just like from the root the tree grows and becomes expanded. So now this experience, the mūla is upside and the tree is expanding in this way... Ūrdhva-mūlam. Adhah-śākham (BG 15.1). The branches are down. Here we have got experience, all these trees, the root is down and the branches are spread up. But here the experience is... That means this material is created not from this matter. From spiritual world. Go on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So just as in the material world there are personal relationships, just like everyone is trying to make friends, has family, so many... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...here, ūrdhva-mūlam. Just like if you have to keep yourself the legs are up and the head down, somebody keeps you like this, how long you will feel comfortable? If you..., somebody takes your legs and catches you and your head down, then it is not very comfortable. So this whole material world is like that, ūrdhva-mūlam. The mūlam should have been down, but it is up. Therefore it is discomfortable. And another explanation is the..., it is perverted reflection. We have got experience of the ūrdhva-mūlam. I think I have explained that, that a tree... On the bank of a river or the bank of a pond, the tree is standing, but the reflection, we find that the same tree has become ūrdhva-mūlam and adhah-śākham. So by this statement, Kṛṣṇa says that this is not real. That reflection in the water, of the tree, is not real. Real tree is up. Similarly, real enjoyment, real varieties—everything is in the spiritual world. It is simply reflection. It is not fact. Therefore our enjoyment here is called māyā, or illusion. So in later ślokas Kṛṣṇa has described how to get out of this māyic reflection and go to the real tree. That has been described later on. Go on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So in this material world everything is actually a perverted reflection... (break)
Prabhupāda: Even..., what is that? Macmillan Company. Their trades manager, statistics, they have said that our Bhagavad-gītā sale is increasing, other Bhagavad-gītā decreasing. In America also, they are seriously studying how this movement is being spread so quickly. People ask me also how it is wonderfully increasing. Because there is no adulteration, that's all. (speaks to someone in Hindi) (break) ...before the public. And that's a fact. If you don't accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, you will never be happy. This is fact. Everything is there—social, political, economical, philosophical, religious—all perfect knowledge. So what is to be done next?