Prabhupāda: . . .change your views victimized by these rascals. The rascals are very strong. (japa) In the Sixteenth Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā it is said, pravṛttiṁ ca nivṛttiṁ janā na vidur āsurāḥ (BG 16.7). Asura. Asura, demons, demonic civilization, demonic people, they do not know what is pravṛtti and what is nivṛtti. Pravṛtti means material civilization, and nivṛtti means spiritual civilization. The modern man does not know. They are neither educated about this pravṛtti and nivṛtti. And we are speaking on nivṛtti, and all of them are in the pravṛtti. So they cannot understand. It is foreign to them. They have no idea what is spiritual life, spiritual civilization. Five thousand years ago Kṛṣṇa spoke of all these things very clearly. Later on, the things, from the beginning of Kali-yuga, the things are deteriorating, and therefore different types of religion has sprung up—the Buddhism, Christianism, Muhammadanism. They are not perfect understanding of religious principle. And gradually the number of so-called religious section are increasing. Our Mr. Nanda is presenting another religion, mānava-dharma. Everyone is manufacturing. And Vivekananda is supporting, "Yes, every type of religious system is as good." This is nonsense. Actually they do not know what is religion. (pause)
Gaṇeśa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the Śrī Īśopaniṣad it is said that one must learn the process of nescience alongside with the process of self-realization.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Gaṇeśa: In the Īśopaniṣad, pravṛtti with nivṛtti. How is that?
Prabhupāda: What is that pravṛtti and nivṛtti?
Paramahaṁsa: He says that in the Īśopaniṣad it says that you should learn the process of self-realization side by side with the process of nescience.
Prabhupāda: Nescience?
Paramahaṁsa: Nescience.
Prabhupāda: Nescience, yes. That is pravṛtti and nivṛtti. Pravṛtti means sense enjoyment, and nivṛtti means self-negation. So when we say that "You shall not have illicit sex," and their inclination is illicit sex, so therefore it is revolutionary. They are materialistic persons. They want sex enjoyment to the best capacity—homosex, this sex, that sex, naked dance—all sexually inclined, pravṛtti. And we say, "Stop this," nivṛtti. They do not like it, because āsura. Pravṛtti jagat. They do not know this is essential. They do not know it. This is essential. Tapasā brahmacaryena (SB 6.1.13). Tapasya means brahmacarya. The so-called svāmīs, they are coming for this so-called yoga practice and. . ., but they are themself victim of sex. This is going on. Actually, it is a bluff—they have become svāmī and teaching some yoga system—because they do not know that one has to stop this first of all. Brahmacaryena.
So this bluffing is going on all over the world, and we are speaking just against them. Murkhayopadeśo hi prakopāya na śāntaye (Cāṇakya Paṇḍita). If you give instruction to the rascals, he will simply be angry. He will not take advantage of it. This is our position. All the so-called professors, philosophers, they are all in the pravṛtti-mārga. Therefore they are bringing somebody, "Our interpretation is like this." Pravṛtti-mārga. Because if they can find out some support from the śāstra, then they think, "We are secure." This is going on. Pravṛttim ca nivṛttim ca na vidur āsurāḥ (BG 16.7). The whole world is full of asuras, descendant of Hiraṇyakaśipu, and it is very difficult. But if we give them chance to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, gradually they will understand. (pause) Another difficulty: these so-called svāmīs, priests, popes, they are also in the pravṛtti-mārga. All these priests, and they have illicit sex. Pravṛtti-mārga. So they are passing, "Yes, you can have homosex with man." They are getting man-to-man marriage. You know? They are performing the marriage ceremony between man to man in the open church. What class of men they are? And they are priest. Just see. Such degraded persons, drinking. . . They have got hospital for curing their drinking disease. Five thousand patients in a hospital in America, all drunkards, and they are priest. Just see. Simply by dressing long, what is called, overcoat?
Śrutakīrti: Cloak.
Paramahaṁsa: Habit?
Prabhupāda: Cloak and cross, they have become. In India also, simply having a thread, a brāhmaṇa. Two-paisa thread. That's all.