Prabhupāda: . . . material body. So as soon as there is material attraction, the village organization will not stand because the other material attraction is industry. So because he's materially attracted, he'll say that "If I do industry, I get hundred rupees. Why shall I plow for five rupees?" That civilization they do not know. Gandhi's plan failed there. If materially they are after material enjoyment, so if he gets hundred rupees, he thinks that "I will enjoy more. Why shall I be sticking to the service?" Then the village program will fail. They will go for the hundred rupees. That civilization they do not know. After all, they are all rascals. They won't take lesson from us or from the Vedic culture. Therefore it is failure.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: That they won't take.
Prabhupāda: No, that is . . . Therefore it will be a failure. We are . . . Just like in Hyderabad we are trying to make an ideal farm. If we can do, that will be success.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: But now, just like there was recently an article. Previously there was oil shortage in the world. There is oil shortage . . . (indistinct) . . . Now they are predicting that there is going to be a water shortage.
Prabhupāda: Everything will be shortage. That is nature's arrangement. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). They cannot make any plan successful without Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So long they'll insist upon this point, that "Without Kṛṣṇa consciousness we shall do everything successfully . . ." That is durāśā. As long as they persist on this, they'll remain rascals. Every plan will be failure. Durāśā. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī. Nature, material nature, is against them. No plan will be allowed to be . . . Just trace out the history. Every plan has been unsuccessful, either Eastern, Western. Napoleon made plan, Hitler made plan, Gandhi made plan. So many rascals, they made plan. Everyone's plan, impersonalist, they are unsuccessful at the end. Gandhi was killed, Napoleon was dishonored, Mussolini was killed, Hitler nowhere . . . Take all these big, big . . .
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Still they have not learned their lesson.
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals. Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām (SB 7.5.30), chewing the chewed. It has been unsuccessful many times. Still they'll do. (pause) When the sewer ditches will be complete? Sewer ditches?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: The sewage line? They should be completed in a month. Before the gurukula opens, it has to be finished.
Prabhupāda: (aside) You can eat it immediately.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, sorry.
Prabhupāda: You like it?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: And you did not take?
Akṣayānanda: I take. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . I stressed in other that in India strictly maintain an institution, following Bhagavad-gītā's conclusion(?). That we are trying to do. It is not a new invention. It is already there. If it is not possible to maintain such an institution, then human civilization will be finished. There is no hope. And it is now being effective worldwide. Why India should not maintain?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Actually, he was very praiseworthy of your efforts. He said, "I know what Prabhupāda has done." If in some way Mr. Morarji Desai can be brought to you, that will be very . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, he's a very big lion. He will not agree to come. You don't try for.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: No, we're not trying. Just if sometime if we're in Delhi or something, if we . . . It's like he still has a lot of good habits. He's material . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . but he gets up at four o'clock every morning. He only eats fruits and milk.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He only eats fruits and milk, nothing else. Cāpāṭi and all he doesn't eat. And he boasts that "I gave up sex life." Very strictly . . . (indistinct) . . . And he reads the Gītā every day. And, of course, he doesn't practice it, but . . . In some public speeches he has said that we should revive our Indian culture which has been lost.
Prabhupāda: There is little hope.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Of course, these politicians are little worried that if they make something very strict, like if they make it Hindu or something, then they will lose votes from the Christians and the Muslims.
Prabhupāda: That is their difficulty.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: So they will . . .
Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. But there must be some ideas.