Prabhupāda: Everyone has, because . . . that does not mean . . . everyone is now suffering from this winter season, but that does not mean that is not suffering. So we have to admit that we are always in suffering.
Student: If I've never known happiness, I feel sure I've never known suffering either.
Prabhupāda: That is due to your ignorance. We are in suffering. We don't want to die; the death is there. We don't want to be diseased; the disease is there. We don't want to become old; the old age is there. So, and . . . we don't . . . so many things we don't want, but they are forced upon us. And any sane man will admit that these are sufferings.
But if you are accustomed to these sufferings so you say: "It is all right," that is a different thing. But naturally, any sane man, he won't like to be diseased. He won't like to be old. He won't like to die. You see? Why this movement? Because if there is war, there will be death. So people are afraid. They're making agitation, "There should be no war." So don't you . . . do you think that death is very pleasurable thing?
Student: I have never experienced . . .
Prabhupāda: You have experienced; you have forgotten. You have exper . . . several times you have died, you have experienced, but you have forgotten. Forgetfulness . . . forgetfulness is no excuse. Forgetfulness is no excuse. Suppose a child forgot some suffering. That does not mean that he did not suffer.
Student: No, I agree. I agree. But . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. So suffering's there. You have to take version from realized souls, from, I mean to say, authorities, that this . . . just like in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam (BG 8.15): "This place is full of miseries." So one has to realize. Unless we understand that this place is miserable, there is no question how to get out of it.
Student: So we have to . . .