Prabhupāda: Women should be taken care of—as daughter, as wife, as mother. Bās. No freedom. Then prostitution. Then spoiled the whole thing. Unwanted children, contraceptive, abortion. Very dangerous. In our society there are girls. They should live separately. They should be given full engagement, taken care of. No mixing. Then it will be spoiled. Both of them will be . . . we see big, big workers, sannyāsīs. Madhudvisa fell victim. The example is given, fire and butter. (laughs) You cannot say the butter will not melt even in fire. Woman is like fire, and man is like butter.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The butter should be kept cool.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In a cool refrigerator, cool-headed. As soon as come in contact with the fire, agitate. The example is given. In Indian . . . up to our time, restriction was very strict. Now it is slackened.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now you see boys and girls freely mixing here, in India.
Prabhupāda: Without coeducation there is no college.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In American universities they have co-living. The bathrooms are the same bathroom now. They don't even have men's bathroom and women's toilet.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's considered advancement, to come to the point of being animals here.
Prabhupāda: So our gurukula should be ideal. Not all these boys . . . you should take care of these things from the very beginning—if we want actually spiritual life. If we want to progress like animals, that is different thing, as the whole world is doing. We want to maintain an ideal institution. People may see. In Christian idea also, the nuns were separate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nowadays the nuns, every . . . twice a week they get their hair set. They wear miniskirt now.
Prabhupāda: And so many scandal.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not strict anymore. Priests are smoking cigarettes, watching television.
Prabhupāda: If there is no training, naturally it will deteriorate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . and millions of Vaikuṇṭhalokas, planets, and the topmost planet is Goloka Vṛndāvana. This is the spiritual nature. This is material, within this universe, and that is spiritual. Paras tasmāt tu bhāvaḥ anyaḥ (BG 8.20): "Another nature, which is indestructible." This is the whole situation. Now, how you show it, that you think over. This is only fragmental part of material creation. And each universe is floating in the . . . like a football. Football floats in the water. It is like that. And each universe, half filled up with water, Garbhodakaśāyī. And the planetary system is hanging on that half–filled-up water.