Prabhupāda: Earth.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Origin of earth is life. It is very simple to understand. Just like your body. Your body is . . . or why your body? Take the tree. Tree is matter; it is earth. Wherefrom the big tree comes? From the life within the seed.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But they say that about 4.5 billion years ago this earth condensed in such a form. But before that there was no living entity, because this earth was not suitable for it.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) That is rascal. No, no. You have got history for billions of years?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: What is that history? We have got history that Brahmā was the first creation, and from Brahmā . . . Brahmā created this universe.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are saying that before, it was all gaseous dust particles and some gaseous materials which were floating, and in due course it condensed, and then it formed this . . .
Prabhupāda: So where from the gas came? That they do not know.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah, they say it was just floating.
Prabhupāda: Floating where? Wherefrom the sky came? They are all nonsense. Simply speculating and consuming cheap money from the government. That's all. This is their business. The government is exacting taxes from the hard-working men, and these rascals are devouring this money. That's all. And making theories. That's all.
Hṛdayānanda: There was one big scandal where they'd found out all the scientists were just taking money. Even by material standards it was unnecessary. It was a very big scandal.
Prabhupāda: It must be they are scandal. They are after money. That's all. Not after knowledge. And what knowledge they have got? Rākṣasa. Simply speculating and befooling other fools. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ (SB 7.5.31). This is their business. One blind man is befooling other blind men. That's all.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are very much convinced that this earth was gaseous. So there was no life at the beginning.
Prabhupāda: That may be. That may be that. That . . . but wherefrom the gas came?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It was just existing.
Prabhupāda: Bhinnā prakṛtiḥ me aṣṭa . . . the answer is the bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhiḥ (BG 7.4). Vāyu. Vāyu, gas. It came from Kṛṣṇa. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Vāyu. Vāyu is gas, is it not?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Air.
Prabhupāda: And finer than the vāyu is the ether, the sky. Finer than the sky is the mind. Finer than the mind is the intelligence, and finer than the intelligence is the soul. So they do not know this. They capture only middle thing, vāyu. Wherefrom the vāyu came? Wherefrom the gas came?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That part remains unanswered. That part cannot be answered.
Prabhupāda: But we answer. We answer. We have got the knowledge. The gas came from ether, and ether came from mind, and mind came from intelligence, and intelligence came from the soul.