Prabhupāda: . . . anardhena nyāya-rahitam: "If you have no money, then you'll never get justice." Dalmia, he was imprisoned for two years.
Dr. Patel: He was never in the jail. I know.
Prabhupāda: He was in the Delhi Hospital. (break) Was speaking so loudly real thing. Here you cannot. Immediately you'll be in the black book. (break)
Girirāja: ". . . must go unpunished. This is itself the business of criminal and lawless men who have no knowledge what it means to protect the citizens under their charge." (break)
Prabhupāda: Therefore it is rogues. So what is the value of that law? The legislative assembly means a set of rogues, and if they legislate something, what is the value of that?
Dr. Patel: Because . . . (indistinct) . . . perfect.
Girirāja: Whatever action . . .
(break) Because people are becoming degraded, so they elect such degraded everything. (break)
Dr. Patel: Shameless.
Prabhupāda: The whole nation is asking that, "You resign." "No." Such shameless. (break) . . . that somebody was in the room, and the outsider says: "Who is in the room?" "No, no, I am not stealing!" (laughter) "No, no, I am not stealing."
Dr. Patel: That means actually he is a thief. That's right.
Girirāja: There's a saying that when you throw a stone in a pack of dogs, the one who is hit will scream. (break)
Prabhupāda: Others also, followers. These ordinary, so-called gosvāmīs in Vṛndāvana, in the outwardly in religious dress, and inwardly they are committing so many sinful activities, they will become the dogs and hogs and monkeys in Vṛndāvana. So one gosvāmī, he has taken very much objection to this writing, and he is making propaganda against me like anything. There was arrangement of reception. He stopped it. (break) That I have also written, that now, after finishing the sinful reaction, these monkeys and dogs will be liberated. That I have also written . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)
Dr. Patel: (indistinct) . . . shall say you are raising . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . one has passed stool, and during daytime, due to the sunshine, the upper side is dry. So if somebody says: "This side is better than the other side. The moist side is not so good. The dry side is good."
Dr. Patel: Is that . . . (indistinct) . . . American . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . gentlemen. Nation, you'll find . . . (indistinct) . . . gentlemen, but they do not know that these things are criminals. They think it is ordinary thing, illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication.
Dr. Patel: Natural.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They say it is ordinary necessities. (break) Therefore we call mūḍhās. They do not know what is what.