Prabhupāda: Yes. Simply talking will not do. That, that . . . just, these boys, they did not practice prāṇāyāma system, but bring anyone who knows about God better than him. Bring anyone. Any yogīs, bring, and talk with them. They are neophytes. They are simply practicing three or four years. And talk with them. And what he knows about, he knows it will be proved. That is not rocket system. This is rocket system: Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. (laughter) That is not possible.
That he cannot find out a secluded place to practice yoga. Where is secluded place in the city? Whole day and night, these cars are going and there is huge sound. Where is secluded place? And, and it is recommended in Bhagavad-gītā, secluded place and sacred place. And he should remain alone. Where is such yogī? Find out. Where is such yogī? He should remain alone, and in a secluded place and a sacred place. And he should not change his āsana. Then he becomes a yogī. These are the preliminary things. But who is practicing these preliminary even? They cannot. Especially in the cities, there are so many yoga societies, but in the . . . it is stated that it should be practiced in a secluded place. So how it is possible in the city? So if you follow the instruction, it will be very difficult. It is very difficult.
Indian reporter: For a city-dweller.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Not only difficult for us, but five thousand years ago, Arjuna was talking with Kṛṣṇa face to face. Such a exalted personality, and he was a kṣatriya. He said: "Kṛṣṇa, it is not possible to practice this." He said. We have become more than Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna? Do you think? He said. You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā. Eh?
Devotee: Cañcalaṁ hi manaḥ kṛṣṇa . . .
- . . . kṛṣṇa
- pramāthi balavad dṛḍham
- tasyāhaṁ nigrahaṁ manye
- vāyor iva su-duṣkaram
- (BG 6.34)
"Oh, it is not possible." He was frank enough gentleman. "Oh, this is not possible. This is not possible." And these foolish persons, because they want to cheat others, they cheat themselves, they cheat others, they follow this system. It is not possible. It is not possible, frankly speaking. Do we think we are better than Arjuna?
Devotee: In Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna's called Guḍākeśa, or one who has conquered sleep.
Prabhupāda: So this yoga process is there, but it is very, very difficult. Very, very difficult, especially in this age. Therefore in the śāstra it is said, kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇu (SB 12.3.52). The dhyāyato viṣṇu, that is yoga system. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ (SB 12.13.1). Yoginaḥ, being absorbed in meditation, they see. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā. Mind, being absorbed in the Supreme, they can see. Yaṁ paśyanti yoginaḥ. The yogī sees. That is samādhi. That is . . . prāṇāyāma, of course, they controlling the breathing. So these things are very difficult in this age. Therefore śāstra says,
- harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalaṁ
- kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā
- (CC Adi 17.21)
Three times. When we stress upon some important point, we say three times, "Do it, do it, do it!" It is like that. Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā. So yoga practice is approved process, but it requires long, long period time, and the time is not at all suitable in this age. And persons are differently cultured. They are eating everything, they are drinking everything, smoking. And it is not possible. It is not possible. Simply childish. It is not possible. And you can see practically. Just like I have given the example. Bring any so-called yogī, mystic practitioner . . .
Indian reporter: As you, yourself, have said: What is talking? What is lies?
Prabhupāda: What is the use of that persons? Here, the mass of people take. All over the world. Suppose if there is some process, if . . . and one percent of the whole population test, what is the use of such process? So that is very important thing. That is important process also, but it is not possible to be practiced by the present age. This is . . . (break) . . . become purified, you understand that Kṛṣṇa is present on your tongue. (break) . . . waterpot, you put it in the water. So long it is not filled up, it will make some sound. And when it is filled up and goes down, down to hell, then there is no cut-cut-cut.
Indian reporter: Then, as you say . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh? (break) . . . that your, this so-called talk will not help you. But that does not mean that in the spiritual life there is no talk. But Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is spirit. So why He's talking Bhagavad-gītā? What is . . . what do you think of Kṛṣṇa's talking? (break) . . . nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇa. Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇa . . . rasa-vigraha, caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ.