Prabhupāda: So the relationship already there. So what relationship you are creating again? It is already there. God is great; you are small. The relationship is already there. He's creator; you are the created. He's the predominator, you are predominated. He's the master; you are the servant. This is already there. And what new thing you can create? This is already there. He's the master, and He's . . . why you are covering? Because God has given this season.
So you are dependent. You have to cover. You cannot make it immediately sun shining summer season. That is not within your power. Therefore He's great, you are small. This relationship is already there. Therefore He's master; you are servant. That is the real eternal relationship. What new relationship you can create? It is not possi . . . it is not possible. He's creator. Are you creator? Can you create anything? Then how you can be master? You are always servant. So relationship is already there. How you can change it? That is speculation.
Karandhara: Actually, that philosophy is just atheism.
Karandhara: That philosophy is atheism.
Prabhupāda: Atheism, yes. Atheism.
Karandhara: They're not talking about God at all. They're just talking about something they're searching after—sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Yes. "Now we shall create female as God." What power you have got? God is already God. You cannot create God a female or dog. You can create anything, as you . . . by mental speculation, but that is not a fact.
Umāpati: They say, "Man was made in the image of God," and now women are saying . . .
Umāpati: They say: "Man was made in the image of God," and now women are saying, "Women are made in the image of God. Therefore God is female," and that is their logic.
Prabhupāda: No, no, man or woman, you cannot create God. That is the first . . . (indistinct) . . . God is not your creation; you are creation of God. You cannot say: "God should be like this. God should be like that." That is nonsense. God is not under your dictation; you are under the dictation of God. That is God. If you manufacture, if you dictate, then how He is God? He's your dog. Just like a dog. He dictates. He abides by your order. He's not God; he's dog. What is the scientist says? Eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The scientist says that God didn't . . . one of the astronomers said that "If I were present at the time of creation . . ."
Prabhupāda: Ah, (laughs) you were present. Therefore you are a rascal. You were not allowed to (be) present. Therefore God is great. You are a rascal; God did not allow you to be present there. Now you are lamenting. Therefore God is great.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya. Because God doesn't lament; he laments.
Prabhupāda: Yes. God did not allow you. Therefore you are under control of God. So you are foolish rascal. God did not allow you. Therefore God is great.
Prajāpati: One very prominent philosopher, theologian, today, named Martin Buber, he says we cannot talk about God as "He," describing so many attributes to Him as something other. He is the eternal . . .
Prabhupāda: That, that we accept, that ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ (Brs. 1.2.234): we cannot speculate about God with our imperfect senses. But that does not mean we should not know God. We cannot speculate, but there is process of knowing God. That is from God. When He says: "I am like this," that's all. You have to accept that. You cannot speculate. You cannot create. Just like a big man, a big master, nobody knows how many millions of dollars he has got. They are speculating. His servants are speculating, "Master may have so many millions, must have so many . . ." But that is all imperfect. When the master says: "I have got so much, so many million," that is perfect. All other speculation, they're all imperfect.
So our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, we are not speculating. We are accepting God the authority, and He's speaking about Himself. We are accepting. That is our position. Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ āsti (BG 7.7): "There is no more superior authority than Me." We accept it. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ (BG 9.34): "You always think of Me. Become my devotee," we become. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are imperfect, but we accept the perfect; therefore we are perfect. We are imperfect. We don't say that we are God, or perfect. We are imperfect. But we accept the perfect version of the perfect; therefore we are perfect.