ayagrīva: Is the humorous direct or indirect? One in humor?
Prabhupāda: Humor, humor is practically in every direct relationship. And indirect also, there is humor. "I am thinking of you as enemy"—that is also another type of humor. (chuckles) Yes.
Pradyumna: Do the five direct rasas take place between jīva souls also when they are . . .
Prabhupāda: Everything for jīva souls. All relationship. Kṛṣṇa is one, the Supreme, and all the jīva souls are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the eternal relationship is there. Now they are exhibited in these twelve kinds of humor, either directly or indirectly. Jīva soul, a part and parcel, cannot be separated from the Supreme. Sun and the light, electric bulb, and the diffusion of light, they cannot be separated. But this portion is covered. It appears darkness.
So when it is covered, that is called māyā, and he thinks that, "I have no relationship with God," or "I am God," "There is no God." This is māyā. He is covered. He cannot see. So he has to be treated by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness treatment, and the māyā will be separated, and he will see, "Ah, yes, I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa." Then he comes to the direct relationship. Anyone, so-called, I mean to say, spiritualist or transcendentalist, if he is claiming that, "There is no God," "I am God," "There is voidness," these are all disturbing position, different symptoms of this disease of māyā. It is disease.
How one can think of that he is God? That means he does not know what is God. If I say here that, "I am President Nixon," would you accept it? Would you accept? Any one of you, if I say that, "I am President Nixon," will you accept? Why? Why?