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Just like this tree. You cut; it does not protest. The consciousness is not developed. That is the . . . but it has got life. You scientists, you do not believe that stone has also life

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"Just like this tree. You cut; it does not protest. The consciousness is not developed. That is the . . . but it has got life. You scientists, you do not believe that stone has also life"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1974 Conversations and Morning Walks

Just like this tree. You cut; it does not protest. The consciousness is not developed. That is the . . . but it has got life. You scientists, you do not believe that stone has also life?.

This is brahma-bhūta stage. Just like this is a cakra. I am walking on this wheel, but I am thinking I am advancing. What is this advancement? It is already there. Just like they are advancing in science, and they must remain here. They are trying for so many years to go to the moon planet, and no result. (laughs) The same, same thing, "Now we are going to the moon planet," but coming again. That's all. Saṁsāra-cakra. Just like the dog. Dog is sometimes barking: "Gata-gata-gata-gata!" The master says: "Come on." Immediately come. He thinks that "I have got freedom. Let me jump over." You see? So you are thinking like that. We are under the māyā's clutches. "Come on, come on here." Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ (BG 3.27). He's under the reins of prakṛti. You cannot go anywhere. (pause) (break)

Hanumān: . . . simultaneously in the dream and not in the dream. So when . . .

Prabhupāda: That is reality, when you are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is reality.

Hanumān: But I also see all this.

Prabhupāda: Eh? That is another thing. On the path of reality, you come.

Hanumān: On the path?

Prabhupāda: Yes. It is a process. When the process is complete, then you'll come to the reality. But that is the process. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12). We cannot distinguish now reality and non-reality because the heart is unclean. So we have to cleanse, and then we come to the reality.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: For that matter, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when one comes to that stage, there is no difference between animate and inanimate. Is that true?

Prabhupāda: Highest stage?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Highest stage, everything animate.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. So a stone . . . even a stone has soul.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Just like this tree. You cut; it does not protest. The consciousness is not developed. That is the . . . but it has got life. You scientists, you do not believe that stone has also life?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, they say it's just matter.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: They say there's no life there.

Prabhupāda: No, there is life.

Nitāi: Every stone has life?

Prabhupāda: Yes. No, dead stone has no . . . but there are many mountains, they are increasing. You know, at Benares there is a stone? Tila-bandesvara.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: I don't know.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That increases. If you go, see today, and go ten years after, you'll see—take the measurement—it has increased. But they will go . . .

Svarūpa Dāmodara: But they will say that because of the position of the dust particles the size will increase. Even a small . . .

Prabhupāda: No, no, no. It is clean. There is no . . . it is being washed even. Its name is Tila-bandesvara. So there is no uncleanliness. Still, the body increases. There is still, Tila-bandesvara. There is temple of Tila-bandesvara. People go to see.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: But the consciousness is covered there.

Prabhupāda: Covered, yes. Dullness means consciousness is covered. You put a child in open air, he'll not feel much cold. You'll see practically. He'll not feel, because consciousness is not developed. Animal, they will not feel cold. But we feel.

Bahulāśva: But Prabhupāda, there are still such things as dead matter?

Prabhupāda: Not dead matter. The soul is there.

Bahulāśva: Suppose something, well, something like this shoe that I'm wearing . . .

Prabhupāda: It is now dead matter. But when you go the higher understanding, it is a composition of atoms. So we learn from Vedic śāstra that within the atom there is life. Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi (Bs. 5.35). There is, there. If within the atom there is life, then what to speak of anything else.

Page Title:Just like this tree. You cut; it does not protest. The consciousness is not developed. That is the . . . but it has got life. You scientists, you do not believe that stone has also life
Compiler:SharmisthaK
Created:2022-12-09, 08:39:20
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
No. of Quotes:1