Prabhupāda: Yes. We are trying that. Calling everyone, "Come and push your conscious." We are inviting everyone. There is no restriction. And it is very easy. Just try to dance and chant. That's all. In the treatment they are taking part. That child is taught something of Kṛṣṇa consciousness did you ask? He'll be a very good child. So it is open to everyone. There is no restriction.
Student (4): Those who having . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: That I have explained, that changing of body, there are 8,400,000's of bodies. So after death, you enter in one of the bodies.
Student (4): And what happens?
Prabhupāda: As happens . . . as you enter the body, the happening is according to the body.
Student (4): But does this go on and on indefinitely, or does it stop? Do you just keep changing bodies indefinitely, or does it end?
Prabhupāda: Not indefinitely. If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you haven't got to change this material body. You are transferred to the spiritual world. There is eternal body.
Student (4): Oh. Does everyone go there, or only some?
Prabhupāda: It is accepted that everyone goes. But if somehow you are stubborn to remain here, how one can help? (laughter) Just like the university is open for everyone. But somebody is stubborn to go to the prison department. So how the government can help? Government does not say that, "Some selected people come to the university, and others go to the prison department."
It is open for everyone, but it is the particular mentality— one is going to the university, one is going to the prison house. That is your individual independence. That is your choice. Just like so many students, they have come here. Others have not come here. So everyone has got little independence. So everyone can go to the spiritual world if he likes. But if he does not like, he will remain here. That is his choice.
Student (5): Why do you . . . (indistinct) . . . butter, cheese . . .
Prabhupāda: I do not know. No. We avoid.
Student (5): (indistinct) . . . is that part of the whole . . .
Prabhupāda: No. There is not part only, but we discourage killing. That is in the Bible also, "Thou shall not kill," but they are killing. What can be done? In the Bible, Ten Commandments, there is, "Thou shall not kill." But they are killing. What shall be done?
Student (6): (indistinct) . . . have you ever found what you believe to be your self? Have you ever found your inside, I mean, not physically or mental . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Student (6): What?
Prabhupāda: Yes! (laughter)
Student (6): Could you tell us what you found, and what's impersonal?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I am prepared to tell you, and this center is open for telling you. Our books are there. It is not a paltry subject that you can understand immediately, but I can give you one instance, that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:
- dehino 'smin yathā dehe
- kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā
- tathā dehāntara-prāptir
- dhīras tatra na muhyati
- (BG 2.13)
It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, Second Chapter—those who have got Bhagavad-gītā, they will see to it—that "Within this body there is soul, and the body is changing every moment." That is a fact. We say: "The child is growing." Growing or changing—practically the same thing. Actually, it is changing, because the former body is no longer to be found. It has accepted . . . the soul has accepted another body. This is going on from babyhood to childhood, from childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, then old age.