Prabhupāda: Just see. And another, they are digging the pig? You said?
Hari-śauri: Oh, Śukadeva was saying in Hawaii. They bury the pig, and when it becomes completely rotten they dig it up and eat it.
Prabhupāda: So similarly, when the cow is dead, you dig, or put it within the . . . or take it. No, nobody will object. In India, that is the system. When the cow is dead, there is a class, they are called cobblers, cāmāra. They are informed and they'll come; they'll take it. And they'll eat the flesh and take the skin, and tan it in their own method, and then prepare shoes. They sell it in the market. So without any price, they get the skin, they eat the flesh. So nobody is harmed. But there is a class . . . (break) . . . they are not going to starve. From economic point of view, it is very good. So why you are killing and maintaining so big, big slaughterhouse? Let everyone maintain the cows for taking milk. And when it dies, you take it, you meat-eaters. Make that arrangement.
Rakṣaṇa: They spend so much money on force-feeding the cows . . . (indistinct) . . . cows when they die.
Mādhavānanda: It's actually been proven that the animal's flesh becomes poison. Because of the fear of the animal, he releases adrenalin in his bloodstream, and this adrenalin makes the meat poisonous to the human system, proven scientifically.
Hari-śauri: Causing cancer.
Mādhavānanda: And that is one of the causes of cancer.
Prabhupāda: I think we published some article.
Jayādvaita: Yes, in Back to Godhead, we gave these arguments.
Mādhavānanda: Mukunda did research.
Prabhupāda: He wrote it nice.
Mādhavānanda: Yes. Cancer is the largest killing disease now. (break)
Makhanlāl: (laughter) These are some pictures of our farm project, St. Louis farm project.
Prabhupāda: Yes, increase farm projects. It is very nice project. Self-dependent. Very good. Kṛṣṇa personally, He lived in village—farm, cows, calves, land, Govardhana Hill. It is very nice. Land, in America, you have got so much land. Produce vegetable, grains, milk, eat sumptuously, no economic question. Prepare very nice product. And make some money by sending ghee in the city. Śrutakīrti will take charge. (laughter) There is sea also? No. Water?
Makhanlāl: There's a small creek in one . . .
Prabhupāda: Not ocean.
Makhanlāl: Not ocean, no.
Hari-śauri: That's just the hills in the background.
Prabhupāda: I think this farm organization will not be liked by the government.
Hari-śauri: Because of the self-sufficiency? Once they know that we can live independently, they won't like it.
Mādhavānanda: They don't like it already. They are attacking in New Vrindavan, publicity saying that this is just a hippie farm and this and that. They don't like it.
Devotee: This is the state?
Mādhavānanda: The state. Yes. They see that we are living independently of the entire society. They don't like that. They want everyone to be following their way of society.
Prabhupāda: Why not our way of? If you want to enforce your way of life, why not I enforce my way of life? Then where is my independence? You cannot enforce your way of life. This is standard life.