Prabhupāda: Yes. Violating the laws. So how they can go on with the business?
Umāpati: Somehow they think they have an answer.
Prabhupāda: They have no answer. As soon as I asked this question . . . yesterday also, last, that television, he also asked the same question. He has purchased all our books. So "Why this Christian religion is declined?" And "Why it will not? Why you are violating?" He could not answer. He could not answer. He will violate . . . all, many Christian priests ask me this question, and as soon as I put this question, they stop. They stop. They cannot answer. "Why you are killing? The first order is 'Thou shalt not kill,' and why you are killing?" They cannot answer. I asked them two questions. "Why unlimited God shall have only one son? And why you are killing?" They cannot answer. Or you answer?
Umāpati: No.
Prabhupāda: The earth was flat. They believed that the world is flat. So how much imperfect knowledge they have got. So imperfect knowledge, how long it can go? Just like we are going to challenge all these rascals that life is grown out of matter. We are going to challenge. It is not a fact. So how long you can cheat people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.
Umāpati: It has been going on from time immemorial.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Umāpati: . . . cheating, it has been going on from time immemorial. I guess they figure they can just keep going on for time immemorial.
Prabhupāda: No time immemorial. You are being cheated for two hundred, three hundred years, that's all. Not before that. All these scientists rascals, have come out within two hundred years. That's all.
Umāpati: Oh, really?
Prabhupāda: So you are being cheated for the last two hundred years, not for thousands of years. So it will be finished. Within another fifty years, everything will be finished.
Karāndhara: Yes, they say now there is an anti-intellectual movement.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karāndhara: People are rebelling to science and modern progress.
Prabhupāda: What is that science? That is not science. That is ignorance. Ignorance . . .
Umāpati: They go to another extreme, they go to the . . . (indistinct) . . . extreme.
Prabhupāda: Simply ignorance. Ignorance is going on as science. Irreligion is going as religion. So how long it will go? People are becoming intelligent.
Paramahaṁsa: In Newsweek Magazine-it's the largest magazine in the United States . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: . . . there was an article about the degradation of Christianity, and they summarized it with a cartoon, a picture of the devil, you know māyā. This is their image of māyā. And he was causing earthquakes. There was a very large earthquake in South America. It killed many thousands of people. So they attribute this to māyā. And right next to them was a picture of Richard Nixon, because he is a very famous, you know . . . he presents himself as a follower of Christ. And he's bombing Southeast Asia.
Prabhupāda: "Thou shalt not kill."
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah. And the devil turned to Richard Nixon and said: "It's hell keeping up with Christians."
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes, people will criticize like that. People are becoming advanced. How long you can cheat them with so-called science, so-called religion? Now you take up this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement seriously. He will give real thing. Try to understand. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3).
If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, everything will be known to you. This is the process. If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is explaining Himself in the Bhagavad-gītā—you know everything. You know everything. And that is the Vedic injunction, Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati: "By knowing Kṛṣṇa only, you know everything." That science you try to understand and preach; people will be happy . . . now, our question was that we say that the man . . . I say man. Other living entities, they are also living entities. So in Christian religion also, they say: "The man is made after God." Is it not?
Umāpati: "In the image . . .
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Paramahaṁsa: "In the image of God."
Prabhupāda: So man is the sample of God. So why don't you try, study nicely man, and you can know, understand God, what is God. I asked these Christian people, "If man is made after the image of God, you study very scrutinizingly a perfect human being, and you will know what is God."
Umāpati: The most ideal image of a human being is God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the Vedic injunction. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). So you take a perfect man. Just like Kṛṣṇa, you take a perfect man, take him as man, you see that He is God. He has got all the perfections. Even if you take him as a man.