Prabhupāda: As soon as there is material attraction, the village organization will not stand because the other material attraction is industry. So because he's materially attracted, he'll say that, "If I do industry, I get hundred rupees. Why shall I plow for five rupees?" That civilization they do not know. Gandhi's plan failed there. If materially they are after material enjoyment, so if he gets hundred rupees, he thinks that, "I will enjoy more. Why shall I be sticking to the service?" Then the village program will fail. They will go for the hundred rupees. That civilization they do not know. After all, they are all rascals. They won't take lesson from us or from the Vedic culture. Therefore it is failure.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: That they won't take.
Prabhupāda: No, that is . . . therefore it will be a failure. We are . . . just like in Hyderabad we are trying to make an ideal farm. If we can do, that will be success.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: But now, just like there was recently an article. Previously there was oil shortage in the world. There is oil shortage . . . (indistinct) . . . now they are predicting that there is going to be a water shortage.
Prabhupāda: Everything will be shortage. That is nature's arrangement. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). They cannot make any plan successful without Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So long they'll insist upon this point that, "Without Kṛṣṇa consciousness we shall do everything successfully . . ." That is durāśā. As long as they persist on this, they'll remain rascals. Every plan will be failure. Durāśā. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī. Nature, material nature, is against them. No plan will be allowed to be . . . just trace out the history. Every plan has been unsuccessful, either Eastern, Western. Napoleon made plan, Hitler made plan, Gandhi made plan. So many rascals, they made plan. Everyone's plan, impersonalist, they are unsuccessful at the end. Gandhi was killed, Napoleon was dishonored, Mussolini was killed, Hitler nowhere . . . take all these big, big . . .
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Still they have not learned their lesson.