Prajāpati: They see one, Śrīla Prabhupāda. The theologians perceive when they see that reason and faith are in two realms . . .
Prabhupāda: This is reason, that everything we are using, there is a relationship. How can you deny it? If I have got relationship with everything, then I have got some relationship with God also. Try to understand this fact. Hmm? Have you got relationship with God or not? If we have got relationship with everything of God's creation, then why not with God? Answer, any one of you. Why you are silent?
Hṛdayānanda: Because you're right, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. We must have some relationship with God.
Karandhara: Basically what he's . . . their point is that they can only have faith in God. Their reason tells them there is no God.
Prabhupāda: There is no question of faith; it must be. Faith may be false. There must be. Because we have got relationship with everything, therefore ultimately everything is created by God.
Satsvarūpa: That requires faith.
Prabhupāda: It is not faith; it is fact. Faith may be wrong. Faith may be right or wrong, but fact is fact.
Karandhara: When they say fact, they mean what they can perceive through their senses, grossly.
Prabhupāda: Yes, with senses, senses. That is . . . our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that we have got relationship with God and senses, our senses. That is hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate (CC Madhya 19.170). When the senses are engaged with the Supreme, in relationship, that is called bhakti. It is a question of senses. It is not vague. We apply everything. We go with our senses. Just like the leg, we go, take our legs to the temple. We use our tongue for glorifying, for eating the prasādam. Every senses. That is bhakti. It is not sensuous, but engaging the senses in the service of the proprietor of the senses.
Karandhara: But they say that's a faith.
Prabhupāda: That's not faith, that's fact.
Karandhara: They say when we offer prasādam, it's just a faith that a God accepts it, because you cannot see God eating.
Prabhupāda: No, no, you cannot see; I see. I am not a fool like you. (laughter) I can see; therefore I offer. But you cannot see. So I have to open your eyes. You come to me. That is our propaganda. You are blind. You are suffering with cataract. I shall operate and you'll see also.
Yaśomatīnandana: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: You don't see, that does not mean I don't see. Why do you accept like that? You may be fool, rascal.
Karandhara: They want their team of scientists to see it.
Prabhupāda: Scientist means another rascal. Big rascal. You are a rascal, and your bigger scientist, he's a big rascal. He's a big rascal. Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). You know this verse? Explain.
Hṛdayānanda: People who are like hogs, dogs, camels and asses glorify nondevotees.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the . . . anyone nondevotee, he's a big camel, or big dog or big swine, like that. So these people who are praising them, they are also cats and dogs and swines, and the leader is also big swine. That's all. That is the difference. The so-called scientist, philosopher, is a big animal. That's all. But he is animal.