Prabhupāda: Sakhībekhī. There are so many apasampradāyas, thirteen at least in the counting by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura: āula, bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi, sahajiyā, sakhībekhī. This sakhībekhī. Smārta, jāta-gosāñi, ativāḍī, cūḍādhārī, gaurāṅga-nāgarī. These thirteen, fourteen apasampradāyas. They are passing as Caitanya Mahāprabhu's sampradāya. But they're the worst, rejected. The sakhībekhī, dressing like . . . To cheat Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is after the gopīs, so they have dressed like gopī, and Kṛṣṇa does not know that he's a rascal man. (laughter) Just see. This is their intelligence, to . . . "I have become a sakhī. Kṛṣṇa will embrace me and kiss me." So Kṛṣṇa is so fool. (laughs) (laughter) These rascals are doing that. Sakhībhekhī. There was a Lalitā-sakhi in Navadvīpa. All women surrounding him. Somebody is dressing him with red . . . what is called?
Prabhupāda: No. Alta it is called. And gamta(?). Somebody is giving massage. Lalitā Didi. Rayarāma(?) dāsa's guru-bhai. This Rāma dāsa's, I have . . . "Nitāi gaura rādhe śyāma." This Rāma dāsa and that Lalitā, they're Godbrothers. So many . . . And amongst them there was fight—"You said that you have done this wrong," "You said you have done this wrong." But both of them are dead and gone. There are so many that, sakhībhekhī. All women. Sometimes he—I have heard all this—he will observe the menstrual period. (laughter) To laugh or lament? "He's in menstrual period." This Ramakrishna did. He was also, because Jagamati experimented.
Hari-śauri: Oh, he became a woman sometimes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, sometimes. And there was menstrual, menstruation period. He became so perfect, there was menstruation. (laughs) (laughter) This rascal Ramakrishna did it. And he was going to make experiment of the Muhammadan realization by eating . . .
Prabhupāda: . . . go-māṁsa, cow's flesh.
Hari-śauri: I think you said that he . . .
Hari-śauri: . . .was refused entry into some temple because of that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He was such a rascal. He was actually impotent, and he could not have sex with his wife, and he addressed, "Oh, you are my mother." And these rascals took: "Oh, he is so advanced that he could see his wife as mother. Oh, self-realized. By worshiping Kālī he has become so perfect, he sees everyone as mother." Such a rascal he was, and he is God. These things are going on. But I am speaking not my manufacture. I heard it from my Guru Mahārāja. He told me that these are these, like that. Not unauthorized. I don't speak anything which I have not heard from my Guru Mahārāja.
Hari-śauri: It's just so difficult to believe how these rascals could do it, I mean, pose themselves like that.
Prabhupāda: And when we were meeting, we had so many talks. One of these talks were that, (laughing) this. He told me that, Guru Mahārāja.
Hari-śauri: Complete loss of intelligence.
Prabhupāda: It is stated clearly, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ (BG 7.20). Rascals are hṛta-jñānāḥ. They have no knowledge even.
Hari-śauri: Lusty desires within their heart.
Prabhupāda: Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ. For kāma . . . Just like one is lusty for sex, they are for false name: "I shall become God. People will adore me." This is their . . . "And we shall bluff like this, by magic, word jugglery." This is the aim.
Hari-śauri: Simply cheating process.
Prabhupāda: No aim how to make people understand about God. They have no such, neither they do know personally. Their only aim is that "If I become a God-man, if I can bluff, jugglery of words and this magic and . . . then I'll . . ." The same material thing, pratiṣṭha. As ordinary people, they are working so hard for some material gain, material reputation, these people are like that, in a different manner. This Satya Sai Baba, this Vivekananda, this, all of them like that. They want some material position, misusing their mediocre knowledge. That's all.
Hari-śauri: It's called a "cloak of respectability."
Satsvarūpa: Saintly person.
Prabhupāda: Yes. To become saintly person, exploit the person, ordinary fools. That is going on. (pause) So we shall now . . .?Hari-śauri: Yes. (end)