Guest: I'm curious as to whether you . . . when there is a problem and the principal players around me with the person in society then and the way that person feels about themselves in society. Do you help that person by transcending that plane by going above it and becoming more in tune with em . . .
Prabhupāda: No we speak on the transcendental platform not on the bodily or mental or intellectual platform. We speak directly on the spiritual platform. Do you distinguish between mind and body mind intellect, and spirit? Do you have any such distinction? Different platform. What do you care for? Sensual? Then above that mental platform above that intellectual platform above that spiritual platform.
Guest: And do you go in those steps in the training or in the . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes these are the four platforms. Body, indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur (BG 3.42). First of all our direct perception is on the sensual platform by sense perception. Just like seeing directly and seeing directly this special. And then I am seeing by hearing from others. These two visions are different, a child is seeing this machine and a mechanic who has heard about this machine he's seeing differently.
And then one actually mechanic is thinking to improve it and that is another vision. So even on the material platform there are three visions and above all these material, means bodily . . . material mean sensual, mental and intellectual. Above that there is the spiritual platform, so we speak on the spiritual platform.