Prabhupāda: Uganda. They got English citizenship. Now they cannot refuse them legally.
Maṇihāra: There's one group, the National Front group, they are trying to stop the citizenship. Because the government, they are saying, "Yes, we will make you citizens if you come here, get business." And they are fighting against this.
Prabhupāda: They are refusing citizenship to the children. Children born of Indians in England, naturally they should be citizens. But now they're refused.
Hari-śauri: They're making all of them get six-month . . . they only get . . . any Indians, they give them six-month visas. That's partly the reason why India is now thinking to impose visa regulations on the British, on British people who come here.
Prabhupāda: Why they are doing that? Why not make world citizen? So much space. Let anyone go anywhere and live as he likes.
Hari-śauri: Nationalism.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Internationalism. Why it is a short-sighted view, "They cannot come here"?
Maṇihāra: "I and mine."
Prabhupāda: Everyone is God's son, and everything belongs to God. If one finds opportunity in some place, let him have it. I think if this is adopted by the United Nation, immediately the face of the world will change. The Chinese and the Indians, they are very expert. If they are given place, they can immediately turn that place into a nice food-producing village. They can do that. And you can produce anything usable from anywhere, according to the climate. Especially in America, the facility is very, very great. So many jungles. If the jungles are cut, the woods can be used for making house and the field can be used for producing food and milk, cows, everything. Around our New Vrindavan there are many places.
Hari-śauri: Both our . . . Pennsylvania farm has one hundred acres of woods.
Prabhupāda: Especially in America. There is enough place. And England also. There is enough place. They are not being utilized.
Maṇihāra: Even my father, he has one big house with some land, one or two acres of land. I put this to him, I told him, "Why you cannot just live simply? You have enough room for one cow, which is enough milk for you and for four people that live there," my two sisters, like that. One cow. "You can grow vegetables, you can have an apple tree, a pear tree. Like this you can have everything. You don't need to buy anything."