Prabhupāda: Vipralipsa, vipralipsa. Bhrama, pramada, vipralipsa, karaṇāpāṭava. So cheating is a qualification of the conditioned soul. Everyone is expert in cheating, more or less. That is qualification. People take pride, "Oh, I have cheated. I am so expert that I have cheated." When the lawyers make some agreement between the two lawyers, simply think, "How I can cheat you? How can I cheat you?" That's all. The more one lawyer is expert in cheating, he is big lawyer.
Hari-śauri: Yes, because their business is to avoid the law.
Akṣayānanda: They are called lawyer, but their business is to break the law.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The best cheater is the best lawyer.
Akṣayānanda: So that means if we become pure then we can avoid being cheated, because we ourselves will not cheat anymore.
Prabhupāda: No, this world is full of cheaters. We have to live with them. Sate sattvaṁ samācaret. You also have to become better cheater. That is wanted. Otherwise, you cannot exist.
Akṣayānanda: But we have to cheat for Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Do everything for Kṛṣṇa, that is all right. But this world, if you become simple and the whole world is full of cheaters, then you suffer.
Akṣayānanda: You lose always.
Prabhupāda: Therefore you have to know and protect yourself from the cheaters. So sometimes we have to become a bigger cheater. This is the world. Vañcaka-vañcī. Whole world is going on, my Guru Mahārāja used to say, that one is cheater, another is cheated.
Hari-śauri: There's a saying in English . . . what is it? "Set a thief to catch a thief." The purport is that you have to think like a thief, then you can catch him, you can know what he's doing.
Prabhupāda: Set a fish?
Hari-śauri: Set a thief to catch a thief.
Prabhupāda: Thief, oh, yes. You can reply him . . . (break) Those who are actually serious to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are welcome.
Akṣayānanda: Pāpī-tāpī jata chilo.