Jesuit: What is it all leading to? What does it all lead them to? A state of liberation from material things?
Prabhupāda: Yes, there are two . . . now in the human form of life, we have got two selection. I think in the Bible also it is said that one goes to hell, one goes to heaven. So we have got two selection, either to the path of hellish condition or to the path of back to home, back to Godhead. This is human life. It is, in Sanskrit word, it is called pravṛtti-mārga, nivṛtti-mārga. Nivṛtti-mārga means stopping the material way of life and go to the spiritual world, back to home, back to Godhead.
Jesuit: Does that mean that the things such as—you mentioned smoking and alcohol and sex and meat—that all those things are material and therefore bad?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jesuit: Take sex. How can that be considered . . .?
Prabhupāda: Or Christian religion also there is celibacy, life. You also trained them, the nuns, the priests, they are not meant for marrying.
Jesuit: That's true. We don't say that sex is bad.
Prabhupāda: Why they are forbidden to marry?
Jesuit: Well, it's a question of something I freely accept, freely accept not to marry.
Prabhupāda: No. No, this is spiritual life. Sex life is not spiritual life.
Jesuit: That I find so hard to accept, because everything that God makes is good. When God makes a man . . .
Prabhupāda: Good . . . what is good for you is not good for me. One man's food is another man's poison.