Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes. Utsāhān. This kind of utsāhā required. Utsāhā means enthusiasm. Utsāhān dhairyāt. So did you write to Dr. Shukla for sending the translation?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So do it enthusiastically. It is a new peaceful revolution throughout the whole world. What other news?
Rāmeśvara: Actually, it's not so peaceful in America.
Rāmeśvara: In America there are some atheists who are organizing constantly to attack us.
Prabhupāda: That is peaceful. That will bring peace.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. I . . . we're seeing it. Because now it has become such a controversy that the biggest television and radio programs are begging us, "Come on my show and explain the issue, whether you are brainwashing." So we have been already invited to be on the biggest nationwide television programs, and we're on radio . . .
Prabhupāda: And you are presenting nicely.
Rāmeśvara: Usually what they do is they bring someone on the show to ask us questions, and this person is very demoniac. He distorts and . . .
Prabhupāda: Why they should question? We shall explain.
Rāmeśvara: Well, we get the opportunity to, but that's how they set it up. In other words, they want to see us defeated, but in the end they are always defeated.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is in our charge. Yes. They are afraid of their demonic civilization being killed by this movement. That is their . . .
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Fear.
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are combining together. The demons, without illicit sex, without intoxication, without meat-eating, without gambling, their life is finished. So they are thinking, "How we shall live if this movement is allowed to make progress like epidemic?" And that is the idea behind.
Rāmeśvara: We are always saying that, "Actually we are not brainwashing; you are brainwashing. You are convincing the people there is no God."
Prabhupāda: We are presenting God, His address, His father's name, His residence—everything. If you are intelligent, you can go back home, back to Godhead. If not, you may suffer. Others will go.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: That example you gave of the dead husband . . . Prabhupāda gave an analogy—it is very good—to indicate who is being brainwashed. The example was a dead husband was calling his wife. That is a very good example.
Rāmeśvara: They're actually doing service, because they are forcing all these newspapers . . .
Prabhupāda: That is . . . Hare Kṛṣṇa—this name has become popular all over the . . .
Rāmeśvara: Yes. (to Gopāla:) You have to experience it. (laughs) The learned people in America are very concerned that we are being . . .
Rāmeśvara: . . . harassed, and they are organizing groups to defend us. In Harvard University . . .
Prabhupāda: That is very good news.
Rāmeśvara: . . . the biggest professors and theologians have organized now a nationwide committee to defend us.
Prabhupāda: Very good. This is Kṛṣṇa's mercy.
Rāmeśvara: And also the lawyers and psychologists are also organizing in their own fields nationwide committees just to defend us.
Prabhupāda: It is so much mercy from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted all these things. Unless there is . . . Kṛṣṇa became important when He killed so many demons, not lying down on the lap of Mother Yaśodā. And while He was on the lap of Mother Yaśodā, from that day He began to kill. He began to kill. And there was attack. Therefore Kṛṣṇa became the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So even Kṛṣṇa was not exempted, what to speak of us. Prahlāda Mahārāja was not exempted. As soon as you speak of God, this opposition will come. Jesus Christ was crucified. So they are so kind they have not crucified me or my men. (laughs) Otherwise you have to expect all these things. Nityānanda Prabhu was personally injured. So these are the . . . Haridāsa Ṭhākura was beaten in twenty-two bazaars. This task is like that.
Rāmeśvara: They are getting everyone in America to ask the question, "What is Hare Kṛṣṇa?"
Rāmeśvara: Because of all their false propaganda, everyone is asking, "What is Hare Kṛṣṇa? What is Hare Kṛṣṇa?"
Prabhupāda: And that is our triumph. They're chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I read that even the New York Daily News took a poll to find out. They were asking every person what they think about Hare Kṛṣṇa. Usually they only take polls for very important issues.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, but it was terrible. (laughter)
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: The poll?
Prabhupāda: And Dialectic Spiritualism is published?
Rāmeśvara: This year, after the Māyāpur Festival. Hayagrīva hasn't finished working on it completely.
Prabhupāda: How many pages it will be?
Rāmeśvara: Two volumes.
Prabhupāda: Two volumes?
Rāmeśvara: Two volumes, eight hundred pages.
Prabhupāda: Oh? So, big?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that Harikeśa's book?
Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda explaining the different philosophies of the world. This was something that just appeared just before I left Los Angeles. This shows how they are fighting back. This a four-page article . . . (break) . . . as if it is a very nice thing. And they say in the article that the parents have to pay these professionals $25,000 just to steal a devotee.
Hari-śauri: Twenty-five thousand . . .
Prabhupāda: Heavy tax.
Haṁsadūta: We don't pay them anything. They come to us.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We are getting advertise, publicity, paying nothing. This is our profit.
Rāmeśvara: We still have to work very hard to defeat them.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That is necessary. You don't sleep. Never, never Kṛṣṇa said to Arjuna that "I am your friend. I am God. You sleep here. (laughter) I'll do everything." No. "You must fight." That is wanted. Yuddhyasva mām anusmara (BG 8.7): "You fight and remember Me. Then I'll do everything." This is an opportunity of remembering Kṛṣṇa always—kṛṣṇa-sevā. (break) So what are these pictures? Against us?
Rāmeśvara: Yes. This shows that if they kidnap you and they convince you to give up your belief in God, you will be very happy. You will have nice girlfriend. You will be very happy.
Prabhupāda: Ohhh. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). This material world means this sex. That is happiness. And we are saying, "Don't enjoy this happiness like hogs." Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye (SB 5.5.1). "This kind of happiness available in the hog's life, dog's life. Why you are anxious for this happiness?" This is our philosophy. Real happiness? Tapo divyam: just undergo some austerity for attaining Kṛṣṇa. This is our . . . how they will understand it? Therefore they are thinking, "Unless there is brainwash, how this philosophy is being preached?" Just opposite. They are thinking, "This is happiness," and we have condemned it: "This is happiness of the hogs." Actually that is . . . hog is also enjoying that sex without any discrimination whether it is mother or sister or daughter. That is going on. Sex must be there. It doesn't matter who he is. This is the world's position, hog civilization. Why a person is condemned as hog, especially in India? He's suar kavaca. Why? The hog has no discrimination of sex. No animal has got—especially this hog. You'll find a study, that one side, drinking the milk, and next, plies over him. Cannot reach. Still, hog wants . . . small kiddies for sex. That sex desire is so strong from the very beginning of . . . and no sense that "It is my mother."
Hari-śauri: Yes, we have seen that in Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Nature's study gives the . . . and therefore Bhāgavata gives the example: "Don't work so hard simply for hog civilization." So if we use this word—it is very, very harsh for the Western people—"It is the hog civilization," actually it is so. But you cannot say. Satyaṁ priyaṁ vāda . . . unless it is palatable, you cannot say straight. That is . . . they take it seriously, that "You are criticizing our mode of life." Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Dr. Patel enters) Aiye, aiye, aiye. Please come in.