Trivikrama: Śrīla Prabhupāda? You were just saying that we are not fallen. Actually this is an illusion thinking that we are fallen. Yet I . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: The same example: In dream I am not attacked by the tiger, but I am thinking, "Oh, tiger is there." It is a simply dreaming condition.
Trivikrama: But so many Vaiṣṇavas are . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: So as soon as you understand that, "This is not . . . I am not in contact with tiger. It is all a dream," then you are delivered. Similarly, as soon as you understand, "All this material condition of life we are simply dreaming; I am actually servant of Kṛṣṇa," then you are liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa conscious. If you keep in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that "I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa," then you are liberated.
Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyaya kalpate (BG 14.26), Kṛṣṇa says. Immediately brahma-bhūtaḥ. Brahmā-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati (BG 18.54). He has no more lamentation, no more hankering. Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu: he can see everyone on equal vision. Because he knows, "Here is also another living entity. He is not a Chinaman. He is a part and parcel of God. He is not a Christian. He is not a Hindu. He is simply thinking like that." So give him Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is real benefit, to bring him to the original position. Yes?
Cintāmaṇi: If, when we realize Kṛṣṇa, then we have no more desires, then how can we desire . . .
Prabhupāda: You create desire. If you simply keep this contact with Kṛṣṇa, then there is no more any other desire than to serve Kṛṣṇa. That's all.
Trivikrama: This feeling that we have that we are fallen, that we are very fallen . . .
Prabhupāda: That is also illusion.