Svarupa Damodara: That is why, in the ultimate analysis, the geologists, mostly when they trace the origin of life, they say everything started from matter. Living matters came out from non-living matters.
Prabhupada: Where it is coming now? It came in the past and not in the now, and not at present? Wherefrom an ant is coming from this dust. Is there any proof? Even an ant does not come.
Svarupa Damodara: In fact, there are several theories like that, about the origin of life. And they say starting from matter, all the living matters came from nonliving.
Prabhupada: That's all right. Why it is not coming now, rascal? I kick on your face with boots. Why it is not coming now?
Karandhara: If it happened before, it should happen now.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: And it is so amazing that people believe it.
Prabhupada: That means fools.
Brahma: The blind leading the blind.
Prabhupada: Yes. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah (SB 7.5.31). All rascals, mudhah. Our simple formula is: Anyone who is not Krsna conscious, he's a rascal. Never mind what he is. We immediately reject him, a rascal. Our simple formula. And actually they're rascals. They're talking like rascals, childish, that life came from matter. Prove it. That future. What is this? I am very rich man. And as soon as I ask you: "Give me some money." "Oh, yes, I'll give you in future." What is this?
Devotee: Bluff.
Brahmananda: Sometimes when we ask someone to become a life member, they say: "Yes, sometime in future." We become very disappointed.
Prabhupada: We shall make vigorous propaganda against all this rascalism. That is our Krsna consciousness movement. Mudhah. Challenge them.
Brahmananda: Saying "In future", that is a bluff.
Prabhupada: Bluff. That is a bluff. When that future will come? That they do not know. That is another bluff. And still, they're proud of advancement of knowledge. Still, they're talking of future. And what is your advancement?
Svarupa Damodara: So long as the future is there they have a voice to say...
Prabhupada: Future we cannot trust. Trust no future however pleasant. This is our philosophy. Everyone says that. Trust no future, however pleasant. You may talk that future is very bright, but we don't believe in that. Why future? If you are advanced, immediately...
Svarupa Damodara: That's old poetry?
Prabhupada: In the past, you say, in the past the life came out of matter. Why you again say in the future? What is this theory? You have already committed that the life began from matter. That is past, "began." Then why you say now again "future?" Then where is the beginning? Eh? Why this contradiction? If life began from matter, that is past. That is in the past. Then why do you say again future? What is the answer? Is it not contradiction?
Svarupa Damodara: Yeah. That misses the whole point.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is whole, wholesale nonsense, wholesale nonsense. You are expecting the fact in the future, still you say it began in the past. Just see the contradiction.
Devotee: Yes. (Someone hits golf ball.)
Golfers: Fore, fore!
Prabhupada: So contradiction means childish. Contradiction is not scientist. Contradiction is childish.
Svarupa Damodara: They started from a point where...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Svarupa Damodara: They started from a point where there's no background. There's no...
Prabhupada: No background. That is another thing. And still, they cannot prove it at present. They're expecting to prove it in the future.
Karandhara: They say: "It happened in the past, but we'll do it in the future."
Prabhupada: What is this nonsense?
Karandhara: But who did it in the past?
Prabhupada: And how, how he knows that it began in the past? If he cannot prove it in the present?
Svarupa Damodara: They assume it.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Svarupa Damodara: They assume it.
Prabhupada: Assume, everyone can assume. That is not science. Assuming, then, everyone can suggest something like. You can suggest something, I can suggest something. What is the proof? We can prove that life begins from life. Just like father begets a child. Father is living and the child is living. That we can prove. But where is your proof that the father is a stone and the son is a child? Where is your proof? We say that life begins from life. The original life is Krsna. That we can prove. But you say that life begins from matter. Where is this evidence that a child is born out of stone.