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| {{terms|"Our Guru Maharaja, so strict... A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much"}} | | {{terms|"Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict. A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much"}} |
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| [[Category:Discrepancy]] | | [[Category:Discrepancy]] |
| [[Category:Would]] | | [[Category:Would]] |
| [[Category:Chastisement]] | | [[Category:My being Chastised (Prabhupada)]] |
| [[Category:Anything]] | | [[Category:Anything]] |
| [[Category:I Like (Prabhupada)]] | | [[Category:I Like (Prabhupada)]] |
| [[Category:Very Much]] | | [[Category:Very Much]] |
| [[Category:Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta]] | | [[Category:Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1966 - 1977]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1977]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - in India, Bombay]] |
| | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - His Life]] |
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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict... A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much. | | <div class="heading">Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict... A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Roof Conversation -- January 5, 1977, Bombay|Roof Conversation -- January 5, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Caitanya Mahāprabhu also used to say that "I am a fool."</p> | | |
| <p>Dr. Patel: So I am in a good company now. (laughs) I think so.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Certainly. Certainly.</p>
| | <mp3player>https://vanipedia.s3.amazonaws.com/clip/770105R2-BOMBAY_clip2.mp3</mp3player> |
| <p>Trivikrama: Everyone in a body means...</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Roof Conversation -- January 5, 1977, Bombay|Roof Conversation -- January 5, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 7.71|CC Adi 7.71]]). Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana. A student should always remain to be chastised by guru. That is his right position. And as soon as he thinks that he has become more than his guru, then he'll be finished, his career.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Caitanya Mahāprabhu also used to say that "I am a fool." And that is the . . . (indistinct) |
| <p>Trivikrama: Jumping over the head.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Just like our Nitāi. (chuckles) This is the difficulty. Caitanya Mahāprabhu remained-guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana: "My Guru Mahārāja has chastised Me because I am fool number one." Caitanya Mahāprabhu is fool? But He's showing the example that you should always remain...</p>
| | Dr. Patel: So I am in a good company now. (laughs) I think so. |
| <p>Dr. Patel: The avatāras shall behave like common men. Otherwise they will not be... All avatāras behave like common men.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict... A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Certainly. Certainly. |
| <p>Indian (3): Guru's chastise is the mercy.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Śiṣyaṁ ca putraṁ ca tāḍayen na tu lālayet. That is Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's instruction. "The sons and disciples should always be chastised. Never pat them."</p>
| | Trivikrama: Everyone in a body means . . . |
| <p>Dr. Patel: Tāḍayet may be returned.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Tāḍayet means taraṇa, chastisement.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: ''Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana'' ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 7.71|CC Adi 7.71]]). ''Guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana''. A student should always remain to be chastised by ''guru''. That is his right position. And as soon as he thinks that he has become more than his ''guru'', then he'll be finished, his career. |
| <p>Indian (4): Actually we were so rapt, we wish to be beaten by your stick on our head.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Śiṣya, this word, very word, means voluntarily accepting the chastisement. This word, śiṣ, śās, śās-dhātu... From śās-dhātu comes śāstra. Śastra means weapon. So weapon is meant for maintaining peace and order. And śāstra. Śāsana. These are the derivation from original root... Śiṣya. Śiṣya means who has voluntarily accepted to be chastised and ruled by the spiritual master.</p>
| | Trivikrama: Jumping over the head. |
| <p>Dr. Patel: Śikṣā means instruction. So the one who takes the instruction in śiṣya. Śikṣā.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: To obey. Śiṣya means to obey, discipline.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Hmm. Just like our Nitāi. (chuckles) This is the difficulty. Caitanya Mahāprabhu remained—''guru more mūrkha dekhi' karila śāsana'': "My Guru Mahārāja has chastised Me because I am fool number one." So Caitanya Mahāprabhu is fool? But He's showing the example that you should always remain . . . |
| <p>Dr. Patel: Live under the paternity of guru to learn.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, voluntarily giving him the right to rule over.</p>
| | Dr. Patel: The ''avatāras ''shall behave like common men. Otherwise They will not be . . . all ''avatāras ''behave like common men. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Our Guru Mahārāja, so strict. A little discrepancy, he would chastise like anything. But we liked it very much. |
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| | Indian (2): Guru's chastise is the mercy. |
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| | Prabhupāda: ''Śiṣyaṁ ca putraṁ ca tāḍayen na tu lālayet ''(Nīti Śāstra). That is Cāṇakya Paṇḍita's instruction. "The sons and disciples should always be chastised. Never pat them." |
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| | Dr. Patel: ''Tāḍayet ''must be returned. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Eh? |
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| | Dr. Patel: ''Tāḍayet ''may be returned. |
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| | Prabhupāda: ''Tāḍayet ''means ''taraṇa'', chastisement. |
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| | Indian (3): Actually we were so rapt, we wish to be beaten by your stick on our head. |
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| | Prabhupāda: ''Śiṣya'', this word, very word, means voluntarily accepting the chastisement. This word, ''śiṣ'', ''śās'', ''śās-dhātu''. From ''śās-dhātu ''comes ''śastra''. ''Śastra ''means weapon. So weapon is meant for maintaining peace and order. And ''śāstra'', ''śāsana''. These are the derivation from original root . . . ''śiṣya''. ''Śiṣya ''means who has voluntarily accepted to be chastised and ruled by the spiritual master. |
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| | Dr. Patel: ''Śikṣā ''means instruction. So the one who takes the instruction is ''śiṣya'', ''śikṣā''. |
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| | Prabhupāda: To obey. ''Śiṣya ''means to obey, discipline. |
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| | Dr. Patel: Live under the paternity of guru to learn. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. Voluntarily giving him the right to rule over.</p> |
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