Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is there. You are scientist. You are very expert, more than Kṛṣṇa. You have to believe like that.
Hari-śauri: Then if we accept your reasoning, then show us practically where there is life in fire.
Prabhupāda: You cannot see, rascal, because you are rascal. Therefore you cannot see. You have to hear. That is also . . . because you are rascal, you cannot see. You simply . . . just like you have not seen your father. Rascal, who can see? Who is that rascal who can see his father? You have to hear from the mother. You rascal, you cannot see your father. Why you are claiming that, "I want to see my real father." That is not possible. You have to simply hear from the mother. That is only source. Similarly, you are rascal, everything is imperfect, so you have to hear from the authority. That is only source.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śāstra-cakṣus.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no argument.
Hari-śauri: But you used the argument on me that practically we see there's life everywhere—in the water, in the air, in the . . .
Prabhupāda: So why not in the fire?
Hari-śauri: So why not show me where it is?
Prabhupāda: Again the same argument. I say you are rascal; you cannot see. That is not possible.