Prabhupada: Similarly, we can develop farm here also. Farm development is Krsna and Balarama. Krsna is tending cows, and Balarama is plowing. Therefore the plow and flute -- flute for tending cows and plow for agriculture -- Krsna-Balarama. In Africa also you have got good opportunity for these farm projects.
Brahmananda: Yes. Actually one of our members in Mombassa, he wanted to buy us a farm. Unfortunately, Cyavana rejected it. Anyway, he went and bought the farm for eighty thousand, and now he's developed it, and it's a wonderful farm. We went there for a program. It's very productive. He has one manager, an Indian manager, and the Africans do all the work. He has cows and mangoes, growing vegetables. He's very thankful to us, because we helped . . .
Prabhupada: Gave the idea.
Brahmananda: Yes. But he's our good friend and supporter. He will help us in Mombassa very much.
Prabhupada: Yes. Farm project is very nice. Krsna gives. Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam (BG 18.44). This is economic problem solved. And brahmana, brain problem solved; and ksatriya, protection problem solved; and sudra, labor problem solved. Four things combined together, live peacefully, happily, chant Hare Krsna. Introduce this farm project. In America there is enough scope. So much land is lying vacant. And if there are jungles, cut the jungles; use the wood. Just like our Virginia, big, big jungles. You cut the woods, you get ground, open field, and utilize the logs for house-making. Food, shelter -- everything there. In Africa, everywhere, the nature's way. Purnam idam (Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Invocation). Everything, complete arrangement by Krsna. We have to little work. Sarira-yatrapi ca te na prasiddhyed akarmanah (BG 3.8). If you sit idly, then you'll starve. Otherwise everything is there. You work little and get your all necessities. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). That one person, God, He's supplying everyone, whatever necessities. You have to simply work little. That is material world. In the material world you have to work. And in the spiritual world there is no question of work. Whatever you require, you desire, everything is there. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrksa (BS 5.29). You get everything as soon as you desire it. You haven't got to work. That is spiritual world. In material world, to get your necessities you have to work. You get this flower, little working. You grow the seeds, put little water, and it will be . . . And in spiritual world, as soon as you desire, "I want this flower," it is ready. There also maya is working. Maya means energy, Krsna's energy. Here also energy is working. Bijo 'ham sarva-bhutanam (BG 7.10). Krsna is preparing the seed. You have to work little. You cannot prepare the seed. That is in Krsna's hand. You cannot prepare the seed in your so-called rascals' laboratory. That is not . . . Is it possible? Hmm? So why they are so much proud with their scientific knowledge? Our Svarupa Damodara is convinced this so-called scientific knowledge is bogus.
Brahmananda: He is in Bombay now. We saw him. Giriraja wants to arrange some lectures for him at the schools and colleges.
Prabhupada: You shall combine a few Ph.D. D.H.C. to challenge these so-called scientists all over the world. Amongst the scientists, if you speak of God, they will deride. He'll reject you. Is it not?
Tamala Krsna: To some extent, yes. But . . .
Prabhupada: No. It is prohibited to speak of God among the scientists.
Tamala Krsna: But in India, if he speaks in India to the scientists, they will receive it much more readily.
Prabhupada: Hmm. In Western countries they have no brain.
Tamala Krsna: No. Cow dung.
Prabhupada: Cow dung. Cow dung, no. Man's dung. (laughter) Cow dung is pure. In our youthful ages we used to say, dadang dang.(?) Our one professor, Mr. Cameron, English professor, he was Scotsman. In our I.A. class or B.A. class he was. So that time Patel's Bill, intercaste marriage . . . We were young man. We were supporting. So before the professor's coming, in the blackboard we wrote, "Dadang dang Patel's Bill dang,"(?) and like that, in Bengali. So Professor Cameron came. He saw, "The boys, they have written something." So he simply read it, remained silent. Then he began his teaching. Then when the hour is over, he erased the blackboard, and he wrote. He wrote in this way: jakhan tomar biye pas korbe, takhan tomar biye kote pade.(?) He wrote it and read it. So the purport is that tomar jana . . . "When you'll pass your B.A. examination, then you'll be allowed to marry. Now you don't talk of this Patel's . . ." (laughs) So we clapped him, and it was very nice. Mr. Cameron.
Tamala Krsna: He was a good professor? He was a good man?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. All these . . . We had all Scottish professors and one English professor. He was Mr. Warren. Otherwise, Mr. Scrimgeour, Mr. Cameron, Dr. Urquhart. We had all European professors.